Easyflier301

So..you’re advocating to let them implement, then start negotiations on a new contract from that point and try to negotiate back to better than what we had before?

Genius…you should be on the negotiating team.

highfarfast

I’m not a “no” voter. What I am is someone that expected the union negotiators to deliver something better. These are the kinds of things that should have been addressed before coming to a vote. But here we are. And it’s not like I don’t see improvements in this TA. It’s clearly a better deal than we currently have. It’s that every one of the QOL items I was interested for my own situation is somewhere between unchanged or improved a small enough degree to which there’s no functional QOL improvement for me. But I don’t think voting no now will create improvement in the areas I would like to see improved. So I’m sitting back annoyingly hoping it passes.

Yes, unimplemented items were the company’s to leverage if the NC chose to address them. And they could have been addressed. For all I know they were actually discussed and was deemed not worth the cost by the NC… I certainly wasn’t sitting there. That’s pretty much what a negotiation is.



But my point was simply saying “it’s already in the contract and unimplemented” is a cop out that simply dismisses the concerns of pilots that don’t want said items ever implemented. The logic with that is we can change things that are written and in effect and implemented and in current practice but we can’t change something that hasn’t even been implemented yet? Come on now… /rolleyes/

ImSoSuss

I'm not advocating anything, just answering your stupid hypotheticals.

ImSoSuss

This right here. It's like the union ignored the requests of half the pilot group and now are shocked that there is no much resistance to this TA. Maybe listen to people other than the senior guys retiring in a couple years ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TankerDriver

Age 67.999 will be coming soon to a theater near you; possibly 1 Oct. Stalling this contract even more will possibly keep a few less 65'ers on property. I am all for mediation.

sumwherelse

Do you know how mediation works? Do you know what a mediator does? If you did you would understand how dumb this idea is.

This is going to pass in spite of those who want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

OpieTaylor

Or we understand this is a good deal, but we just aren’t there yet, it’s business not personal.

The union needs support from membership to kill it and add value to the deal.

If management thought they could get away with stalling for two more years they would do that now, and would not allow this to be voted on. The only thing they are sure of is this will pass memrat so why give APA more to bring to memrat.

The United AIP was a perfect exit for them to stall for two more years and instead they scrambled to add value.

StoneQOLdCrazy

just want to point out that DALPA's "1:1 over 10 hrs of duty day" is not a rig. It can't be offset by other parameters. It pays ABOVE all other trip credit.

it's much much different and better than a rig.

Gone Flying

you are correct and I used the wrong word, thank you for the correction. It is significantly better than a rig.

TankerDriver

Seemed to work for Delta. They were the first ones out of the gates with a pretty decent contract coming out of a previously pretty decent contract.