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08-12-2023, 01:16 PM
#331
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All of this is purposely being left out of the road shows in an attempt to get this turd to pass. btw, you illustrate how RIG increases can greatly improve schedules. It forces the company to do that. But unfortunately our union just believes everything management tells them at face value.
08-12-2023, 02:01 PM
#332
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They will not donate the pay raise to charity. They'll still take advantage of the new items in the contract. But the no voters will ***** to kingdom come to all who will listen about how they voted no and how much smarter they were than everyone else who voted yes.
08-12-2023, 02:19 PM
#333
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People who vote no on this, do it with the understanding that it will pass. They perceive that there is no downside.
They will not donate the pay raise to charity. They'll still take advantage of the new items in the contract. But the no voters will ***** to kingdom come to all who will listen about how they voted no and how much smarter they were than everyone else who voted yes.
They will not donate the pay raise to charity. They'll still take advantage of the new items in the contract. But the no voters will ***** to kingdom come to all who will listen about how they voted no and how much smarter they were than everyone else who voted yes.
"take advantage of the items in the new contract" That's hilarious, are you talking about all the items the company will take advantage of? They totally OWNED the negotiating committee.
08-12-2023, 03:11 PM
#334
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People who vote no on this, do it with the understanding that it will pass. They perceive that there is no downside.
They will not donate the pay raise to charity. They'll still take advantage of the new items in the contract. But the no voters will ***** to kingdom come to all who will listen about how they voted no and how much smarter they were than everyone else who voted yes.
They will not donate the pay raise to charity. They'll still take advantage of the new items in the contract. But the no voters will ***** to kingdom come to all who will listen about how they voted no and how much smarter they were than everyone else who voted yes.
08-12-2023, 04:52 PM
#335
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There are some real turds in this deal. I have no problem with people objectively pointing them out. I certainly don’t think this is an easy yes vote for the majority of they yes voters. There’s probably enough to vote yes for this to pass but I bet a majority of the yes voters aren’t happy with their yes vote. I bet all the no voters aren’t happy with their vote either. Yah know what that means? A majority of the pilot group isn’t happy with this deal. It passes anyway though.
But, the more the goal post moves, the more people want. It's human nature.
Many do not realize what is even in the current contract (I'm guilty of that, as well, had no idea electronic notification was in the there). Partially because so many things have been left "unimplemented" I just don't know what to trust, or where to go to find out what actually applies. It's a joke.
08-12-2023, 05:12 PM
#336
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You're not wrong.
But, the more the goal post moves, the more people want. It's human nature.
Many do not realize what is even in the current contract (I'm guilty of that, as well, had no idea electronic notification was in the there). Partially because so many things have been left "unimplemented" I just don't know what to trust, or where to go to find out what actually applies. It's a joke.
But, the more the goal post moves, the more people want. It's human nature.
Many do not realize what is even in the current contract (I'm guilty of that, as well, had no idea electronic notification was in the there). Partially because so many things have been left "unimplemented" I just don't know what to trust, or where to go to find out what actually applies. It's a joke.
08-12-2023, 07:23 PM
#337
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Unimplemented… that’s something that gets overused. If it’s unimplemented, then it shouldn’t be a factor. The negotiation should be with what we want compared to what we have. If it’s unimplemented, we don’t have it yet. If we don’t want what’s unimplemented, this is prime time to kill it if we don’t want it. Saying “it’s already in the contract but its unimplemented” doesn’t move the meter for me at all. It’s a cop-out.
08-12-2023, 08:47 PM
#338
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Btw in the new contract is 120hrs now. Most of my friends try to go as close to the max hrs before they start asking for sick verification.
So I won’t say that avg sick at dal is 100, but a lot of pilots try to use their sick time as much as possible.
08-12-2023, 10:38 PM
#339
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Unimplemented… that’s something that gets overused. If it’s unimplemented, then it shouldn’t be a factor. The negotiation should be with what we want in comparison to what we have. If it’s unimplemented, we don’t have it yet. If we don’t want what’s unimplemented, this is prime time to kill it if we don’t want it. Saying “it’s already in the contract but it’s unimplemented” doesn’t move the meter for me at all. It’s a cop out.
08-13-2023, 04:34 AM
#340
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Sorry, but this shows the backward thinking many of the “no” voters use to justify their position. You don't think for one second, if we vote this down, the company won't suddenly figure out the IT issue that's kept them from implementing the bucket system in our current contract? Or maybe the electronic notification that's in there all of a sudden becomes a viable option? You better believe the unimplemented items in our contract were and should be considered in both the negotiations of and the voting for this TA!!
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