ACEssXfer

I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said.

Easyflier301

I dont know for sure of course, but perhaps because they have been in contract negotiations for 4 years and calculated that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze in implementation when they felt a new contract was pending just around the corner (they probably have felt that way since at least summer of 2022?)

That calculus could change in a heartbeat if they felt they were buckling in for a long fight and current book was going to rule the day indefinitely….OR if the decision was made to just implement it out of spite.

Easyflier301

Fair point. Just pointing out that what APA has achieved in pairing distribution language to fix the problem you identified (too many long trips that fall apart) is better than what DAL/UAL have negotiated.

rdneckpilot

Be offended or not. That’s your choice. Doesn’t change the reality of what we are facing right now. This TA represents what the NC was tasked with negotiating. They were very successful in accomplishing gains in the areas they were tasked. Those tasking orders were distilled from our surveys and pilot input.

There are lots of people whining about what’s not in this contract and screaming no when the items they want weren’t a goal for the NC.

It is debatable whether or not we will goto mediation after a no vote but we will absolutely have at the minimum another delay similar to how long it took to get TA1.0 after the board rejected last fall. It would require a full negotiation process with a new set of asks. Whatever gains come from that process will not offset the losses.

Im not sorry either. Some of our coworkers are like petulant children. It feels like the day after Christmas and a kid is complaining about why his friend got a toy he didn’t when they both got what they wanted.

Imsosuss is a great example. I can only hope they are in the minority.

PilotWombat

Which version is this you guys are voting on? Is it the pre-UAL TA one or does it included the plus-ups (subject to UAL ratification)?

AllYourBaseAreB

this is the pre United deal with the “sweeteners”.

the NC failed or the BOD failed to guide them to demand more QOL items. I mean my god… zero fixes to TTS and OTL???

Don’t forget the numerous grievances STILL unsettled…

OpieTaylor

I think they are just mad that the Christmas present from 2015 dubbed TTS took dad 8 years to put together and doesn’t work correctly.

It would seem obvious that if the surveys you are speaking of were conducted prior to final TTS implementation they wouldn’t be validated.

How can anyone fill out a survey about QOL in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, when the response is the solution is “in the works already”.

AA finalized a turd from the last contract 15 mins before the new contract and if the vote fails it is on them not the NC or the BOD.

The NC and BOD are at fault for accepting the company at their word.

rdneckpilot

your post just highlights your ignorance.

AllYourBaseAreB

thats it???

rdneckpilot

what more do you want?

I would recommend going to a road show and doing a lot of education on how section six works.

Your post highlights ignorance to those processes.