Originally Posted by Scar09

this. Same thing goes for ECS. While ECS is going to have growing pains for sure. They can implement something far worse in the instance that we go to mediation or whatever while we wait for what APA’s plan B is if a no vote happens. Plus ECS isn’t implemented DOS anyways as it still has to find the vendor etc.

Originally Posted by TankerDriver

I never said anything about Delta or United. I think we had one of the industry's best reserve system as it was. Could it have been even better? Yes. We did get a few wins when it came to reassignment pay, working into a day off, extra pay for proffering before 10am and 14 hr LC call out. Fine - those are wins, but the overall reserve system will be worse than it is now. Imagine coming off a 2-week vacation and having to start from the bottom of the list because your vacation time doesn't count. Same with sick time. Going on vacation or calling out sick shouldn't be held against us when it comes to Reserve Days Works (RDW). Our current system compensates for vacation time and credits toward GTD. Of course, the company has probably viewed this as a major resource hog for years since the common tactic has been to bid reserve in a vacation month for more pay credit. Pay credit aside, we should not be penalized when it comes to RDW. This is just the company's way to discourage vacation and sick time during reserve months. I cannot find language that explains how vacation/sick time are used when calculating RDW. You can't find it. It won't be used. Yes, your month will be prorated when it comes to days available and duty days if you bid vacation during a reserve month (pre-plotted abscence), but you will be at "0" for RDW and will always be "sucking hind tit" when it comes to being used in your final two weeks of the month. But, who cares right? Everyone on reserve is a new hire...

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer

I asked the NC.

Anything outside of DOTC is governed by the new RDW. Vacation and sick do not count towards RDW.

Inside DOTC is seniority inside your bucket of available days.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars

Thanks for the point out on RDW, that is a serious concern.

Originally Posted by TankerDriver

Sorry, I was on the fence for weeks, but as an in-base guy who lives near the airport and often bids reserve on purpose, the lagging reserve rules sealed the deal for me. No if's or but's about it - reserve was a concession. I won't puke up all the specifics, but look into the language of the new bucket system as it pertains to vacation and sick time. Everyone has their agenda. A good reserve system is mine.

Originally Posted by Arado 234

Can someone please tell me why we give up good stuff?

Originally Posted by TankerDriver

For higher pay rates and premium. Oh wait... our peers had already negotiated those things

Our current reserve system is a boondogle now for many, many reasons, but not because we need a bucket system.

One of them is because the company builds pairings that fall apart if someone breaks wind in the wrong direction.

Originally Posted by ClncClarence

This attitude almost got us an industry-worst contract at FedEx. Luckily enough of us were willing to look far enough past our noses to vote that crap down.

Originally Posted by rdneckpilot

Yes but the difference is we are voting on a contract within parity of United and delta. Some good and some bad in all three with pay consistent across the contracts. Our TA last fall and United’s last TA were similar to the turd you just voted down. Good on you.

The no voters we have today will never vote yes. They will say otherwise but it’s not truth.