PRS Guitars

You can drink on long call. And yup I love LCR reserve life, best QOL I’ve had here…

dsevo

I’m sure it varies by base, but when I compare notes with my LC friends, they work way more than I do on SC. Even similar GTD months aren’t similar TAFB. But I do love the thought of never caring about a phone call.

PRS Guitars

I think It means, the company will give this to us, but we aren’t sure we actually want it due to unintended consequences. We need to analyze it more.

Montcalm

Where does it say that?

PRS Guitars

fair point…another social media site, but I checked again and now can’t verify, so I edited to add “I think”

StoneQOLdCrazy

APA are miserable leeches and a disgrace to unionism.

The utter unwillingness to fight and actually raise the bar shows what a pathetically spineless group APA (and if voted in, AA pilots) are.

Bravo, guys, bravo.

StoneQOLdCrazy

1:1 rig over 10 hours is meaningless.

unless the 1:1 for over 10 hours is paid on top of all other trip pay, it will get swallowed up elsewhere.

nice job, APA. ****ing clowns.

dsevo

Theres a lot of reasons to want a better deal, but giving a **** what anybody else thinks isn’t one of them.

Go back to your Delta circle jerk.

FangsF15

Thats what DL got, and UA copied (on top of all other pay). If AA didn’t get that too, I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

I personally think that (10+ hr 1:1 pay) will be one of the best soft pay gains in the whole contract. Either shorten my day, or pay me more (a lot more). Win/win. No appreciable downside - I don’t buy that it will have meaningful undesirable effects elsewhere, at least at DL.

Hueypilot

I've voiced this exact position. APA's inability to have a cohesive and effective negotiating strategy is why I will probably vote yes for TA2 (or 3?). First off, we should have pulled the mediation trigger at the end of 2019 after the company ****ed away an entire year basically not negotiating in good faith. We would have looked pretty good going into mediation. Second, APA wasted a lot of time and negotiating capital asking for a low-bar "targeted TA" approach, then turning it down when other carriers (particularly Alaska, who is *not* our peer) got better results. So then we go back to the table, and we wound up with TA2...imperfect but much improved over TA1, thanks mostly due to Delta and Alaska. Then United drops their AIP, and the BOD turns off TA2, and goes back for more, again (not saying I wouldn't have, but stick with me here).

So, *if* the company pulled the mediation trigger, we'd go to mediation looking like we made a low-ball ask, got it, then turned that down and said "more" when others got more...then turned that down and said "still more" when United got theirs. We wouldn't look very good to a mediator, and honestly the company can smugly tell our NC to pound sand because we've gotten a 200% improvement in what APA originally said we wanted. Normally, you enter negotiations asking high, and whittle down a bit. APA totally screwed up this round of Section 6 and seemed to have negotiated backwards.

IMO, take the gains, work to join ALPA, and start again in 3-4 years.