AIP 2.0
07-28-2023, 01:58 PM
#131
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Allowing the optimizer to continue run with ONLY the 5:15 in place is mgmt wet dream.
We also have no clue whatsoever what the split duty trips will do to the optimizer but we are taking mgmt's and one single dude from the scheduling committee's word that it will reduce 5 day trips and 30 hour layovers. For some reason we are allowing this clear negative-to-pilots item in but won't do the same with the 10 hour rig? Why?
We also have no clue whatsoever what the split duty trips will do to the optimizer but we are taking mgmt's and one single dude from the scheduling committee's word that it will reduce 5 day trips and 30 hour layovers. For some reason we are allowing this clear negative-to-pilots item in but won't do the same with the 10 hour rig? Why?
As far as split duty trips it sounds like that was a compromise to get rid of other negatives in the bids. I'd imagine scenarios were run.
07-28-2023, 02:00 PM
#132
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Just wow.
Delta.
MSP and SLC respectively are Delta’s second and third largest hubs after ATL. DTW comes in fourth place. Their coastal hubs (NYC, SEA, LAX) are their smallest bases.
United.
Their largest hubs are ORD, IAH and DEN. In that order.
The notion that the 10-hour rig would push flying out of the Midwest is as dependable as the Titan submersible's ability to fly.
If APA did, in fact, make that claim, allow me to paraphrase sergeant Dignam: "they’re like mushrooms. Feed them 💩 and keep them in the dark".
Delta.
MSP and SLC respectively are Delta’s second and third largest hubs after ATL. DTW comes in fourth place. Their coastal hubs (NYC, SEA, LAX) are their smallest bases.
United.
Their largest hubs are ORD, IAH and DEN. In that order.
The notion that the 10-hour rig would push flying out of the Midwest is as dependable as the Titan submersible's ability to fly.
If APA did, in fact, make that claim, allow me to paraphrase sergeant Dignam: "they’re like mushrooms. Feed them 💩 and keep them in the dark".
10 hour rig would not push flying to the coasts. I never wrote that. Neither did APA or their representative.
07-28-2023, 02:04 PM
#133
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It means APA doesn't want it voted in without knowing the effect - they want to evaluate the rig on company pairing construction first. 10 hour rig could potentially have the unintended effect of working more days, with less credit per day.
Is working less than ten hour duty days worth it, if you are working 2-4 days per month more? What if it killed commutability, and most trips now start early and end late with a circadian swap? That was also one potential outcome.
Is working less than ten hour duty days worth it, if you are working 2-4 days per month more? What if it killed commutability, and most trips now start early and end late with a circadian swap? That was also one potential outcome.
07-28-2023, 02:11 PM
#134
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I don’t have access to their internal data, but I could ask buddies over there and report back.
Correct, my apologies. You were talking about higher the minimum daily credit. My point stands.
Correct, my apologies. You were talking about higher the minimum daily credit. My point stands.
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07-28-2023, 02:12 PM
#135
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It flys off the soft time by making us sit forever to do some extra overnight.
10 hour rig can protect that a little.
07-28-2023, 02:45 PM
#136
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07-28-2023, 03:03 PM
#137
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ATL ~4800
NYC ~2000
DTW ~1800
MSP ~1500
SLC ~1250
SEA ~1250
LAX ~1100
07-28-2023, 03:24 PM
#139
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No wanting then just to be given to you because you exist on the planet is. This is/was a negotiation nothing comes for free but the unhappy crowd such as yourself seem to think just because you want they’ll just give it to us at no cost! That’s not the way these things work. You want another day off on reserve? Great you give up the 85 hour limit. The lack of reality from people like you is exhausting!
07-28-2023, 03:29 PM
#140
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I think some situational awareness is needed. Is this seriously lacking as far as QOL? Yes, yes it is, but…. does anyone really think after watching what a monkey flinging poop show our union has become they can do better? I’m leaning towards vote it in and then work on becoming ALPA. There are some good people in the union, but its structure is flawed. It would benefit with the added oversight and resources ALPA would provide.
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