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Old 07-28-2023, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
I here nothing but "I's" and "me's" coming from your arguments. I rest my case on describing exactly who you are.

As far as your last question, I already answered it. Learn to read for comprehension.
Bless your heart!
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Old 07-28-2023, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sumwherelse
Bless your heart!
That's the first selfless post you've made on here. Congratulations Mr. Me Man!
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Old 07-28-2023, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
There's a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense in this post. American loves hiring military pilots for the exact reason you mentioned above. We're "mission hackers". Yes, I'll be the first one to admit that it took me a few years to get out of that mindset after doing it for almost two decades before coming here. It's even harder when you're going back and forth between this job and a Guard/Reserve gig, but just like ANY NEW JOB and especially one with a probationary period, you are going to show up and want to bust your ass, which is something most of us who've been in the military treat as second nature (aside from the few rejects that slipped through the cracks). Don't hate us. Just be glad you had people like this defending our country. It takes time to transition. If anyone thinks a military pilot is going to show up knowing all the ins and outs of an airline contract, how the airlines operate, how we get paid, how to work PBS, and so on and so forth, you're on another planet. No different than hiring a dude flying Gulfstreams for Big Pharma. "Mission Hacking" is a Type-A personality. I've seen my fare share of poop bags in the military that shouldn't have been there. They walk all areas of the Earth. You can't hold this personality trait against people who are now working a "piece of cake" job (you said it). There has to be a happy medium between being the laziest slug on Earth wanting more money to work less and being a mission hacker. It takes a while to figure this out when you haven't known anything else.
Agree and understand most of the points in your post, however hopefully it takes a lot less than a "few years" for people to get out of that mindset and adapt. We had to learn and adapt quickly in the military too right? I can understand a few months, but hopefully some people start getting the hint. ESPECIALLY during contact negotiations.


The underlying point being that comparing this job to military duty is irrelevant when it comes to arguing about contract language. The ONLY thing that matters is our direct peers in the industry. I'm sure everybody appreciates our service, but couldn't care less about how much tougher that job was compared to our current job. Save those stories for your Grandchildren (who won't care either).
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Old 07-28-2023, 08:03 AM
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You can complain about a contract, know what you're getting yourself into, and want to set a better standard for everyone here ALL at the same time. Not mutually exclusive.
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Old 07-28-2023, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sumwherelse
Actually no it’s not because I’m not complaining about our contract. I have an excellent QOL and I can’t wait to make more money while enjoying it
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Old 07-28-2023, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Montcalm
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It’s still early but I think I need a drink.
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
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Old 07-28-2023, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
There's a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense in this post. American loves hiring military pilots for the exact reason you mentioned above. We're "mission hackers". Yes, I'll be the first one to admit that it took me a few years to get out of that mindset after doing it for almost two decades before coming here. It's even harder when you're going back and forth between this job and a Guard/Reserve gig, but just like ANY NEW JOB and especially one with a probationary period, you are going to show up and want to bust your ass, which is something most of us who've been in the military treat as second nature (aside from the few rejects that slipped through the cracks). Don't hate us. Just be glad you had people like this defending our country. It takes time to transition. If anyone thinks a military pilot is going to show up knowing all the ins and outs of an airline contract, how the airlines operate, how we get paid, how to work PBS, and so on and so forth, you're on another planet. No different than hiring a dude flying Gulfstreams for Big Pharma. "Mission Hacking" is a Type-A personality. I've seen my fare share of poop bags in the military that shouldn't have been there. They walk all faces of the Earth in every career field. You can't hold this personality trait against people who are now working a "piece of cake" job (you said it). There has to be a happy medium between being the laziest slug on Earth wanting more money to work less and being a mission hacker. It takes a while to figure this out when you haven't known anything else.
What exactly is mission hacking? Why is it mostly military who do it? (not judging just what is mentioned here)

Been doing this 20 years and this is the first place I've heard it mentioned
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Old 07-28-2023, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Name User
What exactly is mission hacking? Why is it mostly military who do it? (not judging just what is mentioned here)

Been doing this 20 years and this is the first place I've heard it mentioned
"Mission Hacking" is going above and beyond your basic duties as a commercial airline pilot or basically doing anything outside of what you interpret your contract to say to get the "mission" done. We could very well call it being a "Company Man", but us former military get a more appropriate term - Mission Hacker.
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Old 07-28-2023, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Varks
The long duty day rig for over 10 hr days is in the LOA. It hasn’t been agreed to but was/is on the table. The issue is what will the optimizer spit out if this rig is implemented? Just like minimum calendar day, there will be consequences. The concern is it will destroy commutable trips. Shorter days could cause longer trips. That is the concern. They are not going to build schedules with many 10+ hr days. The optimizer will drive down that number. Careful what you wish for.
UAL and DAL both have their own optimizer and both have 5:15 ACD. Why is it good for them and not for us?
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Old 07-28-2023, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
UAL and DAL both have their own optimizer and both have 5:15 ACD. Why is it good for them and not for us?
We have a completely different operation. They have more international flying we have more domestic. Different domiciles with different leg lengths. This is a perfect example of the “they have it so I want it” argument without actually investigating the issue. Maybe it’s good for us maybe it is’nt but just cuz they have it doesn’t mean we want it!

but the “no’s” don’t want to hear that!
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