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#93
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There's a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense in this post. American loves hiring military pilots for the exact reason you mentioned above. We're "mission hackers". Yes, I'll be the first one to admit that it took me a few years to get out of that mindset after doing it for almost two decades before coming here. It's even harder when you're going back and forth between this job and a Guard/Reserve gig, but just like ANY NEW JOB and especially one with a probationary period, you are going to show up and want to bust your ass, which is something most of us who've been in the military treat as second nature (aside from the few rejects that slipped through the cracks). Don't hate us. Just be glad you had people like this defending our country. It takes time to transition. If anyone thinks a military pilot is going to show up knowing all the ins and outs of an airline contract, how the airlines operate, how we get paid, how to work PBS, and so on and so forth, you're on another planet. No different than hiring a dude flying Gulfstreams for Big Pharma. "Mission Hacking" is a Type-A personality. I've seen my fare share of poop bags in the military that shouldn't have been there. They walk all areas of the Earth. You can't hold this personality trait against people who are now working a "piece of cake" job (you said it). There has to be a happy medium between being the laziest slug on Earth wanting more money to work less and being a mission hacker. It takes a while to figure this out when you haven't known anything else.
The underlying point being that comparing this job to military duty is irrelevant when it comes to arguing about contract language. The ONLY thing that matters is our direct peers in the industry. I'm sure everybody appreciates our service, but couldn't care less about how much tougher that job was compared to our current job. Save those stories for your Grandchildren (who won't care either).
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There's a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense in this post. American loves hiring military pilots for the exact reason you mentioned above. We're "mission hackers". Yes, I'll be the first one to admit that it took me a few years to get out of that mindset after doing it for almost two decades before coming here. It's even harder when you're going back and forth between this job and a Guard/Reserve gig, but just like ANY NEW JOB and especially one with a probationary period, you are going to show up and want to bust your ass, which is something most of us who've been in the military treat as second nature (aside from the few rejects that slipped through the cracks). Don't hate us. Just be glad you had people like this defending our country. It takes time to transition. If anyone thinks a military pilot is going to show up knowing all the ins and outs of an airline contract, how the airlines operate, how we get paid, how to work PBS, and so on and so forth, you're on another planet. No different than hiring a dude flying Gulfstreams for Big Pharma. "Mission Hacking" is a Type-A personality. I've seen my fare share of poop bags in the military that shouldn't have been there. They walk all faces of the Earth in every career field. You can't hold this personality trait against people who are now working a "piece of cake" job (you said it). There has to be a happy medium between being the laziest slug on Earth wanting more money to work less and being a mission hacker. It takes a while to figure this out when you haven't known anything else.
Been doing this 20 years and this is the first place I've heard it mentioned
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"Mission Hacking" is going above and beyond your basic duties as a commercial airline pilot or basically doing anything outside of what you interpret your contract to say to get the "mission" done. We could very well call it being a "Company Man", but us former military get a more appropriate term - Mission Hacker.
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The long duty day rig for over 10 hr days is in the LOA. It hasn’t been agreed to but was/is on the table. The issue is what will the optimizer spit out if this rig is implemented? Just like minimum calendar day, there will be consequences. The concern is it will destroy commutable trips. Shorter days could cause longer trips. That is the concern. They are not going to build schedules with many 10+ hr days. The optimizer will drive down that number. Careful what you wish for.
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but the “no’s” don’t want to hear that!
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