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07-16-2023, 12:21 PM

#171

NuGuy

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Originally Posted by Red Forman

Don’t fall off your high horse. The only reason Delta got what they did is because they have a buffoon at the top that put his foot right in his own mouth on national television. Congratulations!

Well, better lucky than good, but you have to be smart enough to capitalize on what fortune brings your way.

07-16-2023, 12:44 PM

#172

Red Forman

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

Thats absurd. That gaffe moved the needle in the right direction, but we had already closed out the majority of the contract at that point. You’re just parroting the same nonsense that is oft repeated on here. The mediator didn’t like the fact that Ed said what he said on national TV. But that didn’t mean the mediator said, “you better give them a bunch of gains or else!”

We got the contract we did because our union representation aren’t a bunch of clowns like APA.

Oh look, another bad take by you.

07-16-2023, 12:59 PM

#173

FangsF15

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Originally Posted by Red Forman

Oh look, another bad take by you.

I don't endorse the 'clown' comment, but In this particular case, ChrisReed is absolutely correct on how the DL deal happened, and you are incorrect.

Give credit where it's due.

07-16-2023, 01:06 PM

#174

chrisreedrules

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Originally Posted by Red Forman

Oh look, another bad take by you.

Oh look, another pilot on social media who has no clue what they’re talking about.

07-16-2023, 01:28 PM

#175

Red Forman

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

Oh look, another pilot on social media who has no clue what they’re talking about.

Speaking of not knowing what a pilot is talking about, how is that AA bankruptcy coming along?

07-16-2023, 01:47 PM

#176

chrisreedrules

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Originally Posted by Red Forman

Speaking of not knowing what a pilot is talking about, how is that AA bankruptcy coming along?

Hopefully never? During Covid it seemed very likely. Management was talking about it. Industry experts were talking about it. ALPA National’s EF&A were talking about it. If the government hadn’t stepped in AA would have been in Ch 11 within months and the rest of the industry wasn’t far behind. Thankfully we’ve seemingly moved past that period now.

It isn’t by some divine providence that yours (and others) positivity was manifested into reality. The whole industry got lucky. Incredibly lucky.

07-17-2023, 02:55 PM

#177

Al Czervik

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Forman

Speaking of not knowing what a pilot is talking about, how is that AA bankruptcy coming along?

SNAP

filler

07-17-2023, 05:35 PM

#178

StoneQOLdCrazy

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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor

Maybe a little, but I am not upset our TA doesn’t 1up Delta, upset because it is less than what we want for ourselves regardless of Delta.

You are ok lagging your peers? That makes no sense.
pattern bargaining means pulling your weight and raising the bar. Not just being deadweight.

07-18-2023, 10:08 AM

#179

Godzilla

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Quality of life?

I thought we were bargaining for an increased quality of life and more scheduling flexibility.
I see no clear path in this proposal to better scheduling flexibility at all.
Right now there is absolutely no trip trading at all in my bid status. None.
Narrowbody Captain above 50 %.
Giving up 5:15 per day to split duty trips is also not an improvement in quality of life. It is a huge concession.
All leading to a strong no vote for me.

07-18-2023, 10:13 AM

#180

ACEssXfer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla

I've actually gotten on board with the split duty thing after a couple different aspects were explained to me by different SMEs. I still don't want to do them but there could possibly be a benefit with relatively little(I think) downside if it doesn't end up working out the way the union forsees.