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07-15-2023, 02:00 PM
#121
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are you an idiot or do you just think he is? He is talking about how United’s AIP has a relatively larger, in his opinion, QOL gain than the American TA. The fact that we don’t have fsb, nor does American, is not germane to his argument.
07-15-2023, 02:03 PM
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I can’t tell you if you’re a massive troll or just an idiot, but Delta and American never had FSB to negotiate because THEY CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE FEILD STANBY. Only one major airline pilot group had to suck that up for the last 5 years.
If that’s considered a “Win” for UAL ALPA it’s the most pathetic W in the history of airline bargaining. They shouldn’t have wasted a dime of barging on FSB.
If that’s considered a “Win” for UAL ALPA it’s the most pathetic W in the history of airline bargaining. They shouldn’t have wasted a dime of barging on FSB.
07-15-2023, 02:06 PM
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They had the worse work rules in the industry. If they didn’t have larger QOL gains than Delta and American there would be anarchy with their pilot group. I’ll take not having to deal with FSB reserve for the last 5 years over bragging they had the largest QOL gains because, wait for it…. they got rid of involuntary FSB…
07-15-2023, 02:07 PM
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I can’t tell you if you’re a massive troll or just an idiot, but Delta and American never had FSB to negotiate because THEY CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE FEILD STANBY. Only one major airline pilot group had to suck that up for the last 5 years.
If that’s considered a “Win” for UAL ALPA it’s the most pathetic W in the history of airline bargaining. They shouldn’t have wasted a dime of barging on FSB.
If that’s considered a “Win” for UAL ALPA it’s the most pathetic W in the history of airline bargaining. They shouldn’t have wasted a dime of barging on FSB.
UA just knocked their Field Standby down to (seemingly) the exact same thing. I guarantee you UA pilots see that as a win.
07-15-2023, 02:09 PM
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They had the worse work rules in the industry. If they didn’t have larger QOL gains than Delta and American there would be anarchy with their pilot group. I’ll take not having deal with FSB reserve for the last 5 years over bragging they had the largest QOL gains because, wait for it…. they got rid of involuntary FSB…
07-15-2023, 02:10 PM
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Delta DOES now have VAS (Voluntary Airport Standby), which cannot be assigned, but like the name implies, is voluntary. it adds 3 hours of pay, regardless of if you get an assignment and is paid on top of any rotation flown. I would say anyone who does this voluntarily sees that as "a win".
UA just knocked their Field Standby down to (seemingly) the exact same thing. I guarantee you UA pilots see that as a win.
UA just knocked their Field Standby down to (seemingly) the exact same thing. I guarantee you UA pilots see that as a win.
07-15-2023, 02:13 PM
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You said, rather loudly, "[DL] CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE FEILD STANBY." In the context of 'negotiating' for/against some form of Field Standby, I think it's relevant DL included that with 3:00 of Pay. Especially since that exactly what UA just matched. Wasn't trying to rub and noses in anything, just adding the greater context.
07-15-2023, 02:16 PM
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Oh ok sounds good, well let me clarify. I’m not referring to voluntary FSB. Was United the only airline with involuntary FSB during these current negotiations? Yes or No?
07-15-2023, 02:18 PM
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