FangsF15

DL's contract takes a look at the top captain rate, and if higher takes that higher number and add's 1% to it. The tables in UA's AIP (which trigger the DL 1% Me-Too) have not yet included that 1%, so you need to add another 1% to that 421.72. After that math, the new top rate is $425.94, or about 2.01% above the current DL/AA rate of 417.54.

No more involuntary FSB for UA,

Name User

Can you explain how $338.48 becomes $356.52? And why it doesn't say $356.52 instead?

I took Calculus at a community college so I am math challenged.

FangsF15

Keep in mind that table does not yet include the 1% snap up, according to the text below that table in the UA AIP. That's why it doesn't say 356.52.

As I stated above, DL's me too is tiggered off the top paying captain rate, then takes that % and adds it to the rest of the tables. UA's AIP adds 2.01% to every single cell. UA then "snaps up" to match the new DL rate making UA&DL the same for the duration of the contract. The top NB rate at DL is for the 757 and 321 NEO, which will now become about 356.52. AA did not include a me-too in thier AIP, correct?.

In all the haste of math, need to make sure are comparing apples to apples here too. We may have crossed the streams, I can't keep up on the fly. So correct me if I'm wrong.

*Edit* I think we (I?) mixed two different airframes from 2 different tables. The top NB rate is 356.52, but the cell you are going off of isn't the top rate. So 338.48 becomes 345.24. I thought the rate you were quoting was the top rate for comparison. My apologies for the mix up.

Name User

2% on $338.48 is $345.25, where did $356.52 come from again? That's a 5% difference in pay vs AA(!).

No snap up, but we did get perpetual 3% raises after agreement expires. APA felt that was a fair trade. If the difference is $20/hr, certainly not agreeable with that but I still can't follow your pilot math.

thrust

”Perpetual” raises? As in every year for infinity? No they didn’t.

Name User

You might be right. I had read that somewhere but it sounded too good to be true. I wonder why they didn't get a snapup, what was the trade?

OK I see it. We got a 3% raise after agreement expires for that year. That was the trade. WTF were they thinking with that.

Jdub2

And to reiterate what was said earlier United has improved Reserve QOL including the elimination of FSB/Hot reserve

Montcalm

Wrong. Field standby becomes VOLUNTARY ONLY, and is compensated well. Just like Delta. Are you guys being disingenuous, or just lazy?


Clearly you care about the "junior". Thanks for the laugh.

ImSoSuss

HUGE! Absolutely huge!

For the people in the back, this is what it looks like to score a significant QOL gain during the most pilot friendly negotiating environment we have ever seen.

LAXtoDEN

I can’t tell you if you’re a massive troll or just an idiot, but Delta and American never had FSB to negotiate because THEY CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE FEILD STANBY. Only one major airline pilot group had to suck that up for the last 5 years.

If that’s considered a “Win” for UAL ALPA it’s the most pathetic W in the history of airline bargaining. They shouldn’t have wasted a dime of barging on FSB.