Vote NO. Why:
07-14-2023, 08:23 PM
#91
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Agreed. But this isn't "dropping the ball". This is an intentional management strategy. They are choosing to staff the operation like Walmart chooses to staff its cash registers, and this TA has been engineered to support that strategy, and APA negotiators decided to enable that. Yes voters who won't look beyond pay rates will wonder why they hate their work life five years from now. I've had a multiple decade career, and have one foot out the door. I could easily vote yes, take the money and run. I'm voting no because in the end that $ won't make any difference to my financial security in retirement and I have at least some responsibility to try and leave things better than they were.
07-15-2023, 12:57 AM
#92
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07-15-2023, 09:27 AM
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Don't blame them, they are just believing the lies APA told them to try to justify this turd of a TA. They are being good little sheep like they've probably been their whole life. They don't know any different.
07-15-2023, 11:57 AM
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- Reserve is junior bid status
- the other legacies have atrocious reserve rules which cause upgrades to go unfilled
- AA has good reserve rules benefitting the junior by far the most
- ergo AA/APA doesn't care about junior pilots.
Where is this logic pipe that everyone is smoking?
AA reserve rules are fantastic, with the combo of no call out time and no requirement to live within a certain distance/time of your coverage airport. APA could've easily thrown the junior under the bus and gone to industry standard language but they did not, and yet people still **** on APA thinking they don't care about the junior.
07-15-2023, 12:46 PM
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APA needs to put out a compare/contrast, at first glance they have a lot of nice things in there. The pay is just about the same, within $2/hr which is pfffft, but lots of other goodies. So, would we willingly staple the UA or DL agreement? Parker previously offered it.
For those curious:
AIP-UPA23_15July_v1-1 (s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com)
For those curious:
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07-15-2023, 12:46 PM
#100
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Annnnnd.... UA just bypassed AA to the tune of about 2%. www.UPA23.com
I don't have a dog in your fight. But it might be a reason to consider voting no. Or even better, get APA to go back to mgmt and demand they beat UA & DL by a penny.
I don't have a dog in your fight. But it might be a reason to consider voting no. Or even better, get APA to go back to mgmt and demand they beat UA & DL by a penny.
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