APA ALPA Merger Committee is Unanimous
06-07-2023, 07:41 PM
#22
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I'm surprised no one posted this yet:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...h=35b0f1bd563d
Comes across as petty IMO.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...h=35b0f1bd563d
Comes across as petty IMO.
06-07-2023, 07:47 PM
#23
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He’s not wrong. The APA agreement is inferior to Delta’s contract in the majority of sections. The other sections are basically just matching. It used to be no one wanted to go first because everyone else would go next and leapfrog. For the last 15 years, it seems like Delta raises the bar, then everyone else just matches.
I still don’t understand why United isn’t in mediation.
I still don’t understand why United isn’t in mediation.
06-07-2023, 08:01 PM
#24
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Yep, our AIP is embarrassing. The laughingstock of the industry. Will be even more so when United passed Delta then the snap up clauses take place and we are sitting way behind because.....we have no freaken snap up clause cause we are American.
06-07-2023, 08:27 PM
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I'm surprised no one posted this yet:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...h=35b0f1bd563d
Comes across as petty IMO.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...h=35b0f1bd563d
Comes across as petty IMO.
06-07-2023, 08:35 PM
#26
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Delta ALPA expended millions during the course of the negotiations to secure the current PWA. And APA comes along and doesn’t raise the bar one bit, they just essentially copy/paste and run to their pilot group to show off what they “accomplished”. And to make it worse, no thanks were given to DALPA. Quite the opposite in fact, they very specifically structured the pay rates for American pilots so as not to trigger a pay bump for the Delta pilots. So ALPA is petty? Right.
06-08-2023, 04:56 AM
#27
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That makes no sense … it has nothing to do with Delta being a competitor … in fact raising a competitors expenses actually serves American better. And what’s with the “we all know Delta would lead the pack” defeatist mentality… all majors should be “rowing” together. It was just American pilots again not raising the bar for the industry and Ambrosi pointing it out is not petty. This industry has always patterned up and down with contracts. Again … American leapfrogs on the down cycles and doesn’t match on the upward contract cycles. It’d be nice if we all worked together … especially on an upward contract cycle because we never know when it’ll end. If APA membership accepts this tactic, so be it but no one should be offended when it’s pointed out.
06-08-2023, 09:48 AM
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I can picture APA in negotiations:
APA: Delta has a snap-up clause. We want that.
AA: I’ll do you one better. We’ll structure your pay so your tied with Delta as the highest paid hourly rates in the world and we’ll structure it so Delta’s snap-up doesn’t kick in thus keeping you as the highest rates for now.
APA: Okay. Sounds good since we have 0 leverage since we haven’t even filed for mediation yet.
APA: Delta has a snap-up clause. We want that.
AA: I’ll do you one better. We’ll structure your pay so your tied with Delta as the highest paid hourly rates in the world and we’ll structure it so Delta’s snap-up doesn’t kick in thus keeping you as the highest rates for now.
APA: Okay. Sounds good since we have 0 leverage since we haven’t even filed for mediation yet.
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