How was picketing? State of negotiations?
05-01-2023, 05:35 PM
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How was picketing? State of negotiations?
Hi,
Just an outsider at United. Congrats on the great turnout for your Strike Vote and result!
How did the picketing event turn out today?
Any end in sight for your negotiations?
UAL had an update today and it was "underwhelming" to say then least. They've had movement over the past week, but there are still at least 40+ "open items" that are unresolved from our Negotiating committee. It looks like most of the hang ups are still Work rules ("Hours of Service section and Scheduling of Flying section").
Some of the biggest hurdles for us seem to be limiting the conversions to Short Call (current contract gives them carte blanche to unlimited short calls), we have "global reserve" which allows WB reserves to have almost 0 control over their schedules, and the ability to manipulate our schedules as lineholders.
At United, it's pretty typical to get your schedule, and it's almost impossible to change.
Just curious on the state of affairs here...from a curiosity standpoint. It's going to be a long summer methinks.
Just an outsider at United. Congrats on the great turnout for your Strike Vote and result!
How did the picketing event turn out today?
Any end in sight for your negotiations?
UAL had an update today and it was "underwhelming" to say then least. They've had movement over the past week, but there are still at least 40+ "open items" that are unresolved from our Negotiating committee. It looks like most of the hang ups are still Work rules ("Hours of Service section and Scheduling of Flying section").
Some of the biggest hurdles for us seem to be limiting the conversions to Short Call (current contract gives them carte blanche to unlimited short calls), we have "global reserve" which allows WB reserves to have almost 0 control over their schedules, and the ability to manipulate our schedules as lineholders.
At United, it's pretty typical to get your schedule, and it's almost impossible to change.
Just curious on the state of affairs here...from a curiosity standpoint. It's going to be a long summer methinks.
05-01-2023, 06:16 PM
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Hi,
Just an outsider at United. Congrats on the great turnout for your Strike Vote and result!
How did the picketing event turn out today?
Any end in sight for your negotiations?
UAL had an update today and it was "underwhelming" to say then least. They've had movement over the past week, but there are still at least 40+ "open items" that are unresolved from our Negotiating committee. It looks like most of the hang ups are still Work rules ("Hours of Service section and Scheduling of Flying section").
Some of the biggest hurdles for us seem to be limiting the conversions to Short Call (current contract gives them carte blanche to unlimited short calls), we have "global reserve" which allows WB reserves to have almost 0 control over their schedules, and the ability to manipulate our schedules as lineholders.
At United, it's pretty typical to get your schedule, and it's almost impossible to change.
Just curious on the state of affairs here...from a curiosity standpoint. It's going to be a long summer methinks.
Just an outsider at United. Congrats on the great turnout for your Strike Vote and result!
How did the picketing event turn out today?
Any end in sight for your negotiations?
UAL had an update today and it was "underwhelming" to say then least. They've had movement over the past week, but there are still at least 40+ "open items" that are unresolved from our Negotiating committee. It looks like most of the hang ups are still Work rules ("Hours of Service section and Scheduling of Flying section").
Some of the biggest hurdles for us seem to be limiting the conversions to Short Call (current contract gives them carte blanche to unlimited short calls), we have "global reserve" which allows WB reserves to have almost 0 control over their schedules, and the ability to manipulate our schedules as lineholders.
At United, it's pretty typical to get your schedule, and it's almost impossible to change.
Just curious on the state of affairs here...from a curiosity standpoint. It's going to be a long summer methinks.
picketing was a resounding success. Over 2500 holding signs. The union underestimated the turnout in some bases, blaming lack of rsvps. Not bad considering we had 7 days notice and the general apathy present in a significant percentage of pilots
05-01-2023, 06:36 PM
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not a lot of firm news. negotiators seem optimistic. President seems not. Supposedly a few items apart and in the “costing phase”. No one really knows.
picketing was a resounding success. Over 2500 holding signs. The union underestimated the turnout in some bases, blaming lack of rsvps. Not bad considering we had 7 days notice and the general apathy present in a significant percentage of pilots
picketing was a resounding success. Over 2500 holding signs. The union underestimated the turnout in some bases, blaming lack of rsvps. Not bad considering we had 7 days notice and the general apathy present in a significant percentage of pilots
05-01-2023, 08:12 PM
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day to day stock prices based off soft news reporting like a strike vote and picketing is meaningless. If they miss quarterly projections and lose some big corporate clients due to booking hesitation in response to same news, that’s where it matters.
05-02-2023, 08:31 AM
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DFW had over 600 spread out over terminals A and C. The only complaint I had was just the nature of DFW's layout of being spread out. The passengers being picked up and dropped off seemed to be a trickle which is pretty typical for a Monday in early May. At least the weather was perfect. I heard it was pretty chilly in ORD.
05-03-2023, 03:52 PM
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Since no one is talking about it, it probably didn't do much other than rally the troops.
05-03-2023, 06:06 PM
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no stock trader is that poorly informed or emotional. It will take till the next quarterly report for any real data on the effects of the picketing to be revealed. Major players in the market understand the RLA and probably have a vague idea a deal is close since AA is forecasting their expenses to rise with increased labor costs.
05-04-2023, 04:25 AM
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I listened to the ORD town hall. We are very close to a record setting contract.
I listened to the PHL town hall. The company is not budging on some very important issues. We are close but they are not budging.
Company will not move on deadhead middle seat assignments. Not even for flights over 3 hours.
Group pay vs. specific aircraft pay vs. banding. 40% raise company offered leaves us $13 below Delta 321NEO pay last year of contract.
Sick time accrual. Still not budging on 5 hrs/mo.
not budging on trip ownership, pairing distribution.
RO is complete. Better but not great. Now called CAP. 4 hours to get new assignment. Footprint shortened to original plus 4 hours. Still available for entire footprint. Not able to go home unless you give up pay guaranteed. One bite at the Apple may not be in there. My interpretation.
The board will not agree to anything other than Delta back pay or better.
Some really great things agreed to but still lagging on many industry standard items.
Please listen for yourselves. This is what I heard and interpreted myself.
Our strike vote result and picketing on Monday was impressive. Time will tell if AA is in agreement. We should know in a week or two according to PHL VC. Next move is probably arbitration and then we are going to have to have some serious patience.
I listened to the PHL town hall. The company is not budging on some very important issues. We are close but they are not budging.
Company will not move on deadhead middle seat assignments. Not even for flights over 3 hours.
Group pay vs. specific aircraft pay vs. banding. 40% raise company offered leaves us $13 below Delta 321NEO pay last year of contract.
Sick time accrual. Still not budging on 5 hrs/mo.
not budging on trip ownership, pairing distribution.
RO is complete. Better but not great. Now called CAP. 4 hours to get new assignment. Footprint shortened to original plus 4 hours. Still available for entire footprint. Not able to go home unless you give up pay guaranteed. One bite at the Apple may not be in there. My interpretation.
The board will not agree to anything other than Delta back pay or better.
Some really great things agreed to but still lagging on many industry standard items.
Please listen for yourselves. This is what I heard and interpreted myself.
Our strike vote result and picketing on Monday was impressive. Time will tell if AA is in agreement. We should know in a week or two according to PHL VC. Next move is probably arbitration and then we are going to have to have some serious patience.
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