OpMidClimax

When you get on the line here, please just keep your mouth shut on that.. please.. also since your not on the line here, please don't come in on what we should get and what we shouldn't. Your not a union member, not even an apprentice. And yes, when you have to double dh at night during the holidays, in a cramped plane, it's a big deal.

Supermoto

You're missing my point. I want everything you want, maybe more, but..... My goal is to get as much as the situation allows and not tank the whole deal because of some small details. The debate is whether it is worth it to keep sliding the deal back across the table until the music stops and we lose our bargaining power. The debate is not about whether I want to sit middle seat on a dh, of course I don't, it's about whether we're cutting off our nose to spite our face. I've been watching this industry (as a pilot from the outside) since before 9/11 I know how it works.

And on the other topic, I'll be coming in at the bottom of the seniority list where I should be. I know my place. I'd prefer to talk sports and hobbies. But if I'm asked what I think about other issues I'll gladly share and it would be interesting if someone told me to keep my mouth shut, but I think it would take a special person to actually say that to someone in the cockpit. I certainly never would, and I've been a pilot for over 30 years.

FangsF15

Correct for DL. “Highest Class of service” if available in the stated instances.

Also, FC DH on ocean crossing, regardless of availability. Not a “Fly now, grieve later” situation.

HPIC

In that case, it should be by seniority.

marinejoe

Dude, I've done the 11 hour single seat dead of night can't even scratch my balls through the exposure suit and the pistol is chafing my armpit rah rah rah bull**** stuff as well and I actually AM on property and think you need to stop radiating and go silent on the ol jammer. The middle seat thing is bull**** and worth a fight to alot of us. It's also easily comparable to what UA/DL is getting already....please re-read that...we're trying to catch up to where they have been for a few years.

thrust

AA has the same business class ocean crossing provision. I don’t know of any airline that has international “first class” deadheads in their contract, and certainly Delta doesn’t, given Delta doesn’t offer an International First Class product (AA is soon to follow, given how uncompetitive it is with Asian and Middle Eastern carriers and their…ahem…FA demographics/service).

”Domestic” deadheading is where the emphasis is.

FangsF15

Is this sarcasm? Because this is 100% false. Delta has “Delta One”, with lay flat ‘suite’ style First Class on nearly all WB’s (a few older 757-300’s only have the lay flat ‘pods’). Further, DL’s contact guarantees First Class for all ocean crossing DH’s, regardless of availability. They will buy a FC passenger off to get a pilot on board. We are not required to board, and can walk away with pay if they don’t.

Montcalm

Delta One is a standard business class. Like our Flagship Business and United Polaris.

He's talking about Flagship First. The only "true" first class left in the US, and it’s going away.

Race Bannon

When it goes away what do you think AA will call the Flagship Business?

Will they try to compete with Delta by selling "Flagship Business" against Delta's One "First Class"?

thrust

Not sarcastic in the least, and AA has the same provision.

Delta can and will call their business class whatever they want- “Delta One” was done purposely to attempt to make their biz class appear as a sort of international first class lite. It’s just marketing. Delta has a fine biz class product, but it is NOT a true international first class. Go look up what IFC looks like on AA, BA, Etihad, Emirates, Singapore, etc. You’ll also see why AA is doing away with the product- it’s significantly lagging and AA can’t compete with the foreign carriers.

Ask your FedEx buddies about the massive concession they gave their company on their last contract, which allowed FedEx to substitute business class for international first class, and how that’s worked out for them. Yes, there’s a lot of nuance there.

It’s ok. Tons of pilots at all airlines refer to business class as “first class”, even though it’s not. You aren’t the only one.