How was picketing? State of negotiations?
05-16-2023, 03:58 PM
#121
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I'm with Saabs-huh?
So we just tell the company "We'll control the optimizer, thanks." Let me know how that works.
Some of the split duty trips would be some of the highest rig trips. Picture CLT-GSO-CLT for 7:00 or more.
05-16-2023, 05:43 PM
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If implemented correctly, with strict limitations and severe penalties for whatever unforeseen abuse, I could get on board with them. I’ve seen “only allocated via PBS bidding, if in open time reverts to 10:30, etc” thrown out there. Would have to have that, and severe penalties beyond just a fatigue call when your 5 hour hotel room isn’t ready, the hotel shuttle takes 45 minutes to show, etc etc. Devils in the details.
05-16-2023, 06:37 PM
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So instead of trying to manipulate the optimizer indirectly by paying split duty pilots less than "regular" pilots we can just add a hard percentage limit on 4/5 day trips.
05-16-2023, 06:40 PM
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Trip construction limits are pretty common at other airlines. That isn't "controlling the optimizer."
05-17-2023, 04:55 AM
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and how come that almost nobody pays attention to STD? Also didnt see anything regarding sick time. Wtf
05-17-2023, 05:26 AM
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Very depressing Town Hall from the Union last night. They've all but flat out admitted that they are in way over their heads and the company is not budging. The Union's contract page has not been updated since May 8th which further indicates zero progress.
Mediation and ALPA merger are the necessary next steps. Something's got to change.
Mediation and ALPA merger are the necessary next steps. Something's got to change.
05-17-2023, 05:54 AM
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"We're shooting for the stars...... but it's up to the company."
Were a few good questions by callers. Premium crusaders got called out, lead by example isn't a tough concept to grasp. Sick time, come on man! The one about it not being a tough negotiation was good - here is what we demand, period. It shouldn't be shooting for the stars at all, here's what we demand. Meet it or no deal.
They did sound defeated already. "It's up to the company." Then force their decision in favor of us!
Were a few good questions by callers. Premium crusaders got called out, lead by example isn't a tough concept to grasp. Sick time, come on man! The one about it not being a tough negotiation was good - here is what we demand, period. It shouldn't be shooting for the stars at all, here's what we demand. Meet it or no deal.
They did sound defeated already. "It's up to the company." Then force their decision in favor of us!
05-17-2023, 05:57 AM
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05-17-2023, 08:46 AM
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Of course, they could create as many CLT-GSO-CLT trips that cross 1:30am as they want right now. They just have to pay 10:30.
If implemented correctly, with strict limitations and severe penalties for whatever unforeseen abuse, I could get on board with them. I’ve seen “only allocated via PBS bidding, if in open time reverts to 10:30, etc” thrown out there. Would have to have that, and severe penalties beyond just a fatigue call when your 5 hour hotel room isn’t ready, the hotel shuttle takes 45 minutes to show, etc etc. Devils in the details.
If implemented correctly, with strict limitations and severe penalties for whatever unforeseen abuse, I could get on board with them. I’ve seen “only allocated via PBS bidding, if in open time reverts to 10:30, etc” thrown out there. Would have to have that, and severe penalties beyond just a fatigue call when your 5 hour hotel room isn’t ready, the hotel shuttle takes 45 minutes to show, etc etc. Devils in the details.
Yeah, they could, but they are not doing that. Seems that rig is a bridge too far.
I agree that they would have to have limitations, and no one trust AA to not drive around the. They may not a good idea here, but I'd like to see the idea canceled on facts.
05-17-2023, 08:56 AM
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Agree, but I don’t know who to believe with these negotiations. It seems that the internal APA warring factions are hard at work spreading half-truths in an effort to support whatever agenda.
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