How was picketing? State of negotiations?
05-12-2023, 04:33 AM
#111
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You all realize that an operation that regularly builds lines between 82 and 89 hours a month isn't historically "normal" for a unionized 121 flag carrier, right?
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05-12-2023, 06:33 AM
#112
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They recruit people from within so the philosophy of how to run a regional trickles up to mainline. Every day I see more and more stuff I used to deal with at the regional level years ago here at AA.
It works when you have 25yr old pilots that are hungry to fill their logbooks. 63yr old pilots that just came off 6 months of LTD are a different story altogether.
05-12-2023, 12:56 PM
#113
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Don’t blame DAL for that one. They managed to reduce the rolling average line values (aka targeted line value or TLV) during COVID.
05-14-2023, 08:09 PM
#114
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I'm not on property yet. My experience flying includes sitting in an ejection seat for over 10 hours. I've also deadheaded 15+ hours at a part 121. I've spent over 20 years on "the line" flying some of the most challenging flying out there. No I haven't flown at AA yet. I would prefer not to be in the middle seat DH, but my point was that this is probably not the hill to die on. 40% raise on the table...
05-16-2023, 06:19 AM
#116
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But, apparently the BOD shot that down.
05-16-2023, 07:01 AM
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Actually, they were being negotiated, the VP was wrong. The term they are using is Split Duty Period. We already use the term ODAN for a trip that does, for example, DFW-LAX-DFW late at night. These pay 10:30 because of ACD. That trip could not be a split duty period, because the legs are too long. These would be shorter legs, max 4:15 block, say leave DFW at 22:00, fly to OKC, go to the hotel and bring out the originator in the morning. they would have some other restrictions. They wouldn't pay 10:15, but the late night rig would kick in and pay around 7:00. Why would we agree to that? Because that would help with the paring distribution problem that ACD created with the optimizer.
But, apparently the BOD shot that down.
But, apparently the BOD shot that down.
05-16-2023, 08:20 AM
#118
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Yeah, some do. We had them pre-117 at US, and my best friend flew them almost exclusively for 20 years. I personally would have found another profession if that's all it did. The key is to find the right mix so there is something that most people like, most of the time. Someone will always have to fly the crap sometimes. The devil is in the details and there would need to be big restrictions on them.
There has some big misunderstanding on them on various other outlets.
But, apparently the BOD doesn't think the value they bring in solving the pairing distribution problem is worth it.
05-16-2023, 11:38 AM
#119
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Yeah, some do. We had them pre-117 at US, and my best friend flew them almost exclusively for 20 years. I personally would have found another profession if that's all it did. The key is to find the right mix so there is something that most people like, most of the time. Someone will always have to fly the crap sometimes. The devil is in the details and there would need to be big restrictions on them.
There has some big misunderstanding on them on various other outlets.
But, apparently the BOD doesn't think the value they bring in solving the pairing distribution problem is worth it.
There has some big misunderstanding on them on various other outlets.
But, apparently the BOD doesn't think the value they bring in solving the pairing distribution problem is worth it.
05-16-2023, 02:30 PM
#120
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Those are two separate things. Are you thinking one is a substitute for the other? Or that someone is intending it to be?
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