How was picketing? State of negotiations?
05-10-2023, 12:41 PM
#101
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A lot of that is simply "better than what we have now" and not "industry leading".
In any case, everyone is going to focus on what's important to them. I, for one, was really hoping for 18 hour long call like what Delta got. As a permanent commuter, I find that huge. Going from 12 to 14 hours "most of the time" doesn't really help me. And, while that's not the be-all-end-all for me, it sticks out as one of those things that's "not quite there". And there are several of them.
In any case, everyone is going to focus on what's important to them. I, for one, was really hoping for 18 hour long call like what Delta got. As a permanent commuter, I find that huge. Going from 12 to 14 hours "most of the time" doesn't really help me. And, while that's not the be-all-end-all for me, it sticks out as one of those things that's "not quite there". And there are several of them.
Would I prefer all AA reserves to be LC at 18 hours like Delta, then I have to commute to SC with 18 hours notice? I guess I think 14 is better if you have dedicated SC.
05-11-2023, 04:21 AM
#102
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I was hoping for that too. 18 hours at AA would be a way better than Delta due to also having SC at AA. I convinced myself I guess it would go epic senior. On the one hand AA has way less LC than Delta and should be able to easily match 18 hours. On the other hand all of Delta is LC so the gain is devalued being converted to SC, and applies to a larger % of the group and therefore justified at a higher cost point for the union.
Would I prefer all AA reserves to be LC at 18 hours like Delta, then I have to commute to SC with 18 hours notice? I guess I think 14 is better if you have dedicated SC.
Would I prefer all AA reserves to be LC at 18 hours like Delta, then I have to commute to SC with 18 hours notice? I guess I think 14 is better if you have dedicated SC.
05-11-2023, 05:12 AM
#104
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I didnt read all the posts but we can not trip trade for crap anymore. Complete lockdown.
Regardless of what omes down contract wise this place is a not flexible with life events and you get very little sick time a year and no Short Term Disability. None of that changes with a new contract
AA used to be great because I could move my trips around. For the last 12 months this place has felt like a prison.
You have been warned.
Regardless of what omes down contract wise this place is a not flexible with life events and you get very little sick time a year and no Short Term Disability. None of that changes with a new contract
AA used to be great because I could move my trips around. For the last 12 months this place has felt like a prison.
You have been warned.
05-11-2023, 05:33 AM
#105
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Some clarity on retro pay. Isom reportedly not budging on this. I think it is a better than what I initially understood. 4% all of 2020, 4% 2021, 14% 2022 and 2023 except 2 months 2023 at 21%. So if we agreed June 1st 2023 then Jan-Mar would 14% and April May at 21%. If this is the proposal then that would be better than what I was thinking. Basically we all need to chill out until we actually see a deal. Very few leaks coming out and it is spun to fit the leakers pet peeve narrative.
Rumor was they were negotiating continuous duty overnights. Not true. Not on the table. We all need more information. I don’t think it will come out until we get a TA or negotiations break off. Until then none of us know what the deal is.
Rumor was they were negotiating continuous duty overnights. Not true. Not on the table. We all need more information. I don’t think it will come out until we get a TA or negotiations break off. Until then none of us know what the deal is.
05-11-2023, 11:32 AM
#106
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Some clarity on retro pay. Isom reportedly not budging on this. I think it is a better than what I initially understood. 4% all of 2020, 4% 2021, 14% 2022 and 2023 except 2 months 2023 at 21%. So if we agreed June 1st 2023 then Jan-Mar would 14% and April May at 21%. If this is the proposal then that would be better than what I was thinking. Basically we all need to chill out until we actually see a deal. Very few leaks coming out and it is spun to fit the leakers pet peeve narrative.
Rumor was they were negotiating continuous duty overnights. Not true. Not on the table. We all need more information. I don’t think it will come out until we get a TA or negotiations break off. Until then none of us know what the deal is.
Rumor was they were negotiating continuous duty overnights. Not true. Not on the table. We all need more information. I don’t think it will come out until we get a TA or negotiations break off. Until then none of us know what the deal is.
05-11-2023, 01:03 PM
#107
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Some clarity on retro pay. Isom reportedly not budging on this. I think it is a better than what I initially understood. 4% all of 2020, 4% 2021, 14% 2022 and 2023 except 2 months 2023 at 21%. So if we agreed June 1st 2023 then Jan-Mar would 14% and April May at 21%. If this is the proposal then that would be better than what I was thinking. Basically we all need to chill out until we actually see a deal. Very few leaks coming out and it is spun to fit the leakers pet peeve narrative.
Rumor was they were negotiating continuous duty overnights. Not true. Not on the table. We all need more information. I don’t think it will come out until we get a TA or negotiations break off. Until then none of us know what the deal is.
Rumor was they were negotiating continuous duty overnights. Not true. Not on the table. We all need more information. I don’t think it will come out until we get a TA or negotiations break off. Until then none of us know what the deal is.
05-11-2023, 04:56 PM
#109
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For all of you who are thinking "we give this to get that..."
This pilot group is still working under a post 9-11 bankruptcy contract + some tweaks + an incremental raise that management had to throw out there to attract resumes.
If there's any giving the company a cost neutral solution like regional reserve buckets, total compensation at this airline is going to trail the competition for decades.
Now is the time to get, not to give.
We need to get through this negotiation period, arbitration, super mediation, and the 30 day cooling off period so we can get to self help.
Once we get to self help, we hold all the cards.
This pilot group is still working under a post 9-11 bankruptcy contract + some tweaks + an incremental raise that management had to throw out there to attract resumes.
If there's any giving the company a cost neutral solution like regional reserve buckets, total compensation at this airline is going to trail the competition for decades.
Now is the time to get, not to give.
We need to get through this negotiation period, arbitration, super mediation, and the 30 day cooling off period so we can get to self help.
Once we get to self help, we hold all the cards.
05-11-2023, 05:10 PM
#110
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Yea, the pilots senior enough to hold a line but bid reserve during the week and fly premium on weekends when not used during the week may get abused out of that strategy.
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