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Old 04-26-2023, 09:23 PM
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I have several friends at UAL/DAL that have been there a good number of years and aren't wide body captains. There's a reason for that. Why do Delta and United have rapid movement to wide bodies? Well...... part of the reason is that airport reserve and 4 legs a day el suckos.
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I have several friends at UAL/DAL that have been there a good number of years and aren't wide body captains. There's a reason for that. Why do Delta and United have rapid movement to wide bodies? Well...... part of the reason is that airport reserve and 4 legs a day el suckos.
What delta pilots are sitting airport reserve?

not sure why AA guys are making up stories about WB at DL.
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Old 04-27-2023, 04:51 AM
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What delta pilots are sitting airport reserve?

not sure why AA guys are making up stories about WB at DL.
His statement was pretty straight forward to me.
UAL = airport reserve
DAL = 4 legs per day
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I’m sure 7ER guys do, but plenty of newhires have gotten 767-400 (different from 757/767-300) and A330/A350 which don’t.
Why are they going to Junior? Is widebody flying not desirable at your airline?
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Old 04-27-2023, 07:29 AM
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His statement was pretty straight forward to me.
UAL = airport reserve
DAL = 4 legs per day
Nobody on the 330/359/764 is doing 4 legs a day. It’s junior because there are a dozen new WBs coming every year, on top of fallout from the VEOP retirements and widebodies being short staffed from COVID era domestic flying. 764 alone has doubled the number of FOs in under a year.
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Nobody on the 330/359/764 is doing 4 legs a day. It’s junior because there are a dozen new WBs coming every year, on top of fallout from the VEOP retirements and widebodies being short staffed from COVID era domestic flying. 764 alone has doubled the number of FOs in under a year.
All that does is drive movement within the list and hiring at the bottom. Since newhires are getting the bid, *every* narrowbody pilot that's not in class or seat locked has made a conscious decision to not do that flying. And there has to be a reason, right?

What are your widebody trip lengths like? That could drive it. Since I live in base, I won't ever allow myself to have a TAFB longer than about 60 hours (and 36 was pretty standard for me in the 737). When I went to the 777, that was one of the things I looked at - the TAFB of the widebody trips. We do have a few trips with longer stretches away from home, but those get picked up by guys that want an extended stay at the destination. If I knew that the 777 would have me on trips longer than ~60 TAFB, I would have stayed on the 737.

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Originally Posted by dsevo
His statement was pretty straight forward to me.
UAL = airport reserve
DAL = 4 legs per day
Thank you. I don't know why some people on this forum struggle with reading comprehension and have a complete aversion to reality.
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Originally Posted by beancounter
Thank you. I don't know why some people on this forum struggle with reading comprehension and have a complete aversion to reality.
You said, “Why do Delta and United have rapid movement to wide bodies? Well...... part of the reason is that airport reserve and 4 legs a day el suckos.”

Not sure how anyone would read that as delineating between the two, especially when the former/latter respective syntax doesn’t match.

Again, no WB is doing 4-leg days at Delta. The 757 does, which is in a combined category with the 767-300, separate from the 767-400. No 76’s are doing 4 leg days. And there is no such thing as airport reserve at Delta.
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Old 04-27-2023, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Nobody on the 330/359/764 is doing 4 legs a day. It’s junior because there are a dozen new WBs coming every year, on top of fallout from the VEOP retirements and widebodies being short staffed from COVID era domestic flying. 764 alone has doubled the number of FOs in under a year.
To add a little clarity to this, the Early Retirement (VEOP) at delta and a massive displacement bid had the net result of seat locking a huge percentage of the junior ranks at Delta. Add in some unique uncertainties, and thousands of pilots were either unable or unwilling to make a change.

Many of us expect the next few bids to go back to “normal” seniority distribution.
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Again, no WB is doing 4-leg days at Delta. The 757 does, which is in a combined category with the 767-300, separate from the 767-400. No 76’s are doing 4 leg days. And there is no such thing as airport reserve at Delta.
Any of your widebodies doing 4 legs trips?
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