rickair7777

If the FO actually calls for a reject, any CA in his right mind will comply below V1. Especially at a major.

rickair7777

It was, if all relevant parties agree.

If you bust a crossing restriction do you immediately divert to nearest suitable and JS home to wait for the FAA to decide your fate? No, you finish the day, head to the hotel and try to remember to file an asap before you go down to the bar.

CADR

Its overbearing… a competent CA should be confident that a qualified first officer can make a PA… after all most FOs talk on the radio to ATC all day long…

Heck, it’s the FOs that should be worried that their CA knows how to use an iPad. Heaven forbid there’s no “home button” or we didn’t print the latest ATIS on paper via ACARS every 10 mins when Jepp FD on the iPad can give you the ATIS instantly digitally… “I just like to have the paper version, I’m old school”.

BFMthisA10

Apples to oranges.
They weren’t enroute, or on an arrival.
They sat with the parking brake set, for ~20min, taking in the gravity of the situation.
Had I been part of that crew, I would be making very vocal statements for the benefit of the CVR mic that I was no longer fit to continue the takeoff. Deep and irretrievably in the Red.
“…finish the day.” Hands down the WORST keyboard warrior hot take I think I’ve ever seen from you on this board. W+F, man?

That to me is the biggest shocker, that they elected to continue. No. Just no.
Even if the data available is a fuzzy 50%, that’s the easy part of this whole mess.
They each spent the rest of this flight, departure, crossing the NAT tracks, arrival into London, with this weighing on their minds.

Like someone said earlier, There but for the Grace of God go I.

pangolin

I’m 100% with you on expectation bias. Expected 31 cross 4. Got the opposite. Did what was briefed. Of course we don’t know but this is plausible.

450knotOffice

Not sure if you know this, but the all the PA’s other than the prepare for takeoff (and landing) PA’s were open to either crew member at any time. When I was an FO, many CA’s would ask me if I wanted to do the PA’s. Sometimes I said sure, but more often than not, I’d say no thanks, that’s what they pay you the big bucks for, and we’d chuckle and that’d be that. During the course of conversation, if it was brought up, most of the captains would say they just got tired of offering it because the answer was almost always no, so they just assumed (through experience) that almost no FO’s wanted to do the PA’s anyway.

Most understood and agreed that the Prepare for Takeoff PA’s should have been done by the FO. Now, finally, it is.

Personally, I’m with Varks, I don’t listen in. Ever. Why should I? And I’m sure he and I are not in the minority on this.

As for IPads…
I can tell you that in literally thousands of flights as an FO, I cannot remember even one captain who wasn’t competent in the use of it. Yes, SOME were more savvy in its use than others, but all of them were at the very least usefully competent with it. Did that mean that some guys liked a paper copy of the ATIS? Sure. Who cares? Heck, I just flew with an FO who printed one up every leg for four full days. It was his thing. I literally could not have cared less.

AllYourBaseAreB

im not some old and busted captain. Hell I’m not even 40, but I’ve been a captain here for almost a decade. I do know the control freak whackadoodles exist though.

That being said….A lot of our new hires over the years have literally never made a PA ever or are way out of practice. On the 190 it was split duty, and they had to learn. Then the AAL mentality started permeating. Then practically policy (but not really) that I do it all. I still offered but half refused. Then the 190 went away and almost no one wanted to do them on my new fleet so I stopped asking. Many FO’s general lack of awareness of the timing of the PAs, much less the content is palpable, during the few trips I’ve done since the switch. I’m not going to listen to them talk, but Half the time I have to show them the button (if it even works after so many years of disuse), how not talk over the FA’s PA, and when to make them, etc. Stupid house cleaning crap that I’m sure is an annoying distraction for everyone, and it’s not their fault. It would have normally been ironed in a loft sim or on IOE. To top it off the captains have to break their reflexes that go back to the 727… (hand motion for gear much?!?). So yeah, we’re all professionals, but we are breaking the yoke of 90 years of ancestor worship this month.

SunDevilPilot

What happens when they take away the dot matrix printers?

PRS Guitars

As long as the FO doesn’t say “this is your Captain speaking” before making their PA I don’t GAS what they say. I haven’t printed ATIS since it became available on the iPad like 6 years ago. I tell my FO’s “don’t print it for me, only print it if you want in” pretty much 100% still print it after that.

pangolin

How the delta crew missed the 777. Watch this video by Juan Brown. The ADSB data shows the delta underway with a clear runway and the tower cancelling the TO clearance before the American entered the runway. Controller absolutely saved the day. Had delta not rejected at the time they did the collision would have happened. By the time Delta would have seen the 777 was not stopping it would have been too late. Watch the video.

https://youtu.be/81zsojuCGRk