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Old 02-15-2023, 01:59 PM
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APA does not want audio/video recordings. Just court transcription. Sets a very bad precedent and is worth the fight over.

EDIT: See JW beat me too it.
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Old 02-15-2023, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
They haven't been recorded with audio, just a transcription written. APA is trying to avoid setting the precedent of recording them audibly.
I have to start out saying I don't know this is true but if it is, this is a worthwhile fight for APA and for all pilots not involved. Is it a worthwhile fight for those pilots involved? I'm glad I'm not one of those making that decision.
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Old 02-15-2023, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JayRalstonSmith
And yet they have a CVR and a flight data recorder that records everything they do. If I had nothing to hide, you can record me all day long.
If your lawyers told you not to do a recorded interview, would you listen to them? I would. This is a high stakes blame game and they'll do anything they can to blame the pilots. I'd follow my lawyers' advice.
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Old 02-16-2023, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
They haven't been recorded with audio, just a transcription written. APA is trying to avoid setting the precedent of recording them audibly.
I'm curious how you think that transcript of the interview is produced. Do you think there is a stenographer sitting in the room like in a court of law?

There's usually a tape recorder sitting on the table and the tape is later converted to a transcript. That's the way it's been done for the last 30 years.

In the end the government will do far less damage to these pilots career than the ignorance that gets passed off as good advice in the crew rooms and message boards.
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Old 02-16-2023, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by KyberCrystal
I'm curious how you think that transcript of the interview is produced. Do you think there is a stenographer sitting in the room like in a court of law?

There's usually a tape recorder sitting on the table and the tape is later converted to a transcript. That's the way it's been done for the last 30 years.

In the end the government will do far less damage to these pilots career than the ignorance that gets passed off as good advice in the crew rooms and message boards.
This is false, according to APA. The NTSB uses a stenographer, not audio recordings.
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Old 02-16-2023, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
This is false, according to APA.
That's my point. APA has no idea what they're doing and the pilots are going to suffer for it.
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Old 02-16-2023, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by KyberCrystal
That's my point. APA has no idea what they're doing and the pilots are going to suffer for it.
I’ll trust the APA lawyers over a random bozo on APC, but you do you.
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Old 02-16-2023, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
I’ll trust the APA lawyers over a random bozo on APC, but you do you.
I'm not trying to give orders or write policy. I'm just saying that APA is looking for a fight where there didn't need to be one.

SPOILER ALERT
Where the FAA and NTSB don't want to harm the crew, the APA will insert themselves in the middle and cause trouble. When the FAA and NTSB have run out of non-punitive options and have to use subpoenas and enforcement the APA will tell you they were right about the government and now you need them more than ever. Just keep watching and this is how it'll all play out.
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Old 02-16-2023, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by KyberCrystal
I'm not trying to give orders or write policy. I'm just saying that APA is looking for a fight where there didn't need to be one.

SPOILER ALERT
Where the FAA and NTSB don't want to harm the crew, the APA will insert themselves in the middle and cause trouble. When the FAA and NTSB have run out of non-punitive options and have to use subpoenas and enforcement the APA will tell you they were right about the government and now you need them more than ever. Just keep watching and this is how it'll all play out.
The APA? Or the lawyers trying to protect their clients? What the NTSB is asking for is unprecedented. And frankly, there is nothing to be added from a safety standpoint between a stenographer and a video camera. It ONLY serves to do the crew harm. I trust my and my union lawyers, you know, the ones who went to actual law school than internet lawyers like yourself.
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Old 02-16-2023, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by KyberCrystal
I'm curious how you think that transcript of the interview is produced. Do you think there is a stenographer sitting in the room like in a court of law?

There's usually a tape recorder sitting on the table and the tape is later converted to a transcript. That's the way it's been done for the last 30 years.

In the end the government will do far less damage to these pilots career than the ignorance that gets passed off as good advice in the crew rooms and message boards.

Any recordings in the past were destroyed after it was transcribed. What the FAA want to do here is keep the recordings on permanent record. That is unprecedented and APA is trying to stop it. Geez, not that hard to understand
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