Close Call at JFK
02-11-2023, 06:07 AM
#243
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02-11-2023, 06:22 AM
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Based on the posted article (and who knows how accurate that even is?), the AA crew did call the tower on a recorded line.
One scenario where I’d imagine counsel would be hesitant to advise a formal recorded/transcribed interview would be if those tapes weren’t available to review prior to a debrief.
Anything said that “contradicted” the recorded tower conversation might be construed as dissembling then or changing a story a month later..not good. But also very unfair; recollections of eye witnesses and participants to events are usually terrible. The legal system knows this, but pretends it’s not the case anyway.
Or it could be something totally different, IDK. It’s in the lawyers hands now, and I sincerely hope the AA pilots have good ones.
The broader issue of generally not recording interviews to foster open, free, and frank dialogue in the interests of furthering safety doesn’t seem unreasonable.
One scenario where I’d imagine counsel would be hesitant to advise a formal recorded/transcribed interview would be if those tapes weren’t available to review prior to a debrief.
Anything said that “contradicted” the recorded tower conversation might be construed as dissembling then or changing a story a month later..not good. But also very unfair; recollections of eye witnesses and participants to events are usually terrible. The legal system knows this, but pretends it’s not the case anyway.
Or it could be something totally different, IDK. It’s in the lawyers hands now, and I sincerely hope the AA pilots have good ones.
The broader issue of generally not recording interviews to foster open, free, and frank dialogue in the interests of furthering safety doesn’t seem unreasonable.
02-11-2023, 06:29 AM
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Yep, I tend to agree. And the ONLY reason this won't end well for the pilots is because it has the public's attention. If this did not get out in the public it would have been done with already. But the FAA feels the pressure to do something here.
02-11-2023, 06:35 AM
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Yup I agree, the court of public opinion will be these guys ultimate undoing. Wait til the media runs hard on the crew and the uneducated travelling masses demand some heads roll, it won’t end well.
02-11-2023, 07:35 AM
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My bet is that they were having a non sterile conversation (contract, training, whatever), blew the taxi clearance, then spent the next however many minutes trying to get their story straight before departing, and now they’re (rightfully) worried and so is APA.
Does this flight have a relief pilot too? Or two person crew?
Does this flight have a relief pilot too? Or two person crew?
02-11-2023, 07:57 AM
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My bet is that they were having a non sterile conversation (contract, training, whatever), blew the taxi clearance, then spent the next however many minutes trying to get their story straight before departing, and now they’re (rightfully) worried and so is APA.
Does this flight have a relief pilot too? Or two person crew?
Does this flight have a relief pilot too? Or two person crew?
When it happened, I couldn't believe the flight still departed for Europe, but now, that might be the CVR evidence lost that may ultimately help them?
02-11-2023, 08:26 AM
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Why else would APA be telling them not to give a statement?
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