Close Call at JFK
01-27-2023, 01:47 PM
#221
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With that said, let me ask - have any of you guys who say I don't learn something on behalf of the company unless I'm being paid (fupm) ever sit down and study or review systems, the AOM, or the FOM while at home or elsewhere? Do you folks really only ever open the book while on company time? Always?
These are 2 completely different situations.
01-27-2023, 03:33 PM
#222
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all these senior papas “Let me listen in on your PA to the passengers so you don’t say the wrong thing”
When in reality this defeats the purpose of the new changes to prevent the issue that just happened. They want the CA focused on the Taxi so, ya know, they don’t turn the wrong way and nearly cause an accident. But man, so many of these CAs are micro managers and don’t trust their FOs with a simple stupid PA… they forget most of the FOs were regional captains and check airman for years….
When in reality this defeats the purpose of the new changes to prevent the issue that just happened. They want the CA focused on the Taxi so, ya know, they don’t turn the wrong way and nearly cause an accident. But man, so many of these CAs are micro managers and don’t trust their FOs with a simple stupid PA… they forget most of the FOs were regional captains and check airman for years….
Thats our normal procedure and it’s also done descending through 10k, even when he’s PF.
01-27-2023, 03:53 PM
#223
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Not AA but, I think it boils down to good cockpit management to make sure preflight tasks are done and all heads are up before entering a runway. I fly with lots of captains that call for checklists and even engine starts as we approach the runway.
This May have been a factor after reading the sitrep on the FO.
01-27-2023, 04:23 PM
#225
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There were quite a few items during the merger days that were included in the quarterly CBT (Release, fleet differences etc.). This now is clearly a cheapo attempt. Clearly shows what management thinks of us.
01-30-2023, 06:12 PM
#227
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it’s like saying “I had a tail strike because I was holding my breath during flare, you know like they make me do in training”. Oh they don’t make me hold my breath during training? Oh ok well you are missing my point obviously cause I know you don’t have to
hold your breath.
LOL
theres a million ways to make your point make sense. What you wrote made no sense, but we have to keep putting ourselves out there to get better, right?
01-31-2023, 02:56 PM
#228
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Great use of Chief. Yes your point is obvious (but thanks for attempting to point it out again to all us kindergarteners), my point is that you can’t use a non requirement to make your deadhead comparison to unpaid training. You need something real to start with.
it’s like saying “I had a tail strike because I was holding my breath during flare, you know like they make me do in training”. Oh they don’t make me hold my breath during training? Oh ok well you are missing my point obviously cause I know you don’t have to
hold your breath.
LOL
theres a million ways to make your point make sense. What you wrote made no sense, but we have to keep putting ourselves out there to get better, right?
it’s like saying “I had a tail strike because I was holding my breath during flare, you know like they make me do in training”. Oh they don’t make me hold my breath during training? Oh ok well you are missing my point obviously cause I know you don’t have to
hold your breath.
LOL
theres a million ways to make your point make sense. What you wrote made no sense, but we have to keep putting ourselves out there to get better, right?
Congrats.
Signed,
"Mr. Non-salaried Professional"
02-02-2023, 10:00 PM
#229
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Yeah but it’s like it wasn’t enough to suggest 50% for DH. You had to say “in uniform”
to make it sound worse. For the record I have run into more than one pilots who thought they had to DH in uniform, if you were in that minority, well then—it would have been helpful.
There are lots of things we do “without pay” for this or any other airline. We have sign in times beyond the time needed for walk arounds, preflight activities, and briefing. We have required post flight inspections at certain outstations. We have to sometimes wait for all passengers to be off the plane to shut down at end of night. We have to iron our shirts
and tie our shoes. We also have to download electronic pub changes of all varieties before each sequence. Some of them have changes. (Shrug)
For the record I’m happy to get paid for as much as possible but it’s a tough paddle to say everything we do for our employer is and must always be on the clock.
-Chief
to make it sound worse. For the record I have run into more than one pilots who thought they had to DH in uniform, if you were in that minority, well then—it would have been helpful.
There are lots of things we do “without pay” for this or any other airline. We have sign in times beyond the time needed for walk arounds, preflight activities, and briefing. We have required post flight inspections at certain outstations. We have to sometimes wait for all passengers to be off the plane to shut down at end of night. We have to iron our shirts
and tie our shoes. We also have to download electronic pub changes of all varieties before each sequence. Some of them have changes. (Shrug)
For the record I’m happy to get paid for as much as possible but it’s a tough paddle to say everything we do for our employer is and must always be on the clock.
-Chief
02-03-2023, 03:27 AM
#230
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Posts: 489
I guess you can extrapolate this to reading NOTAM's, WX, MX Status... Showing up prepared to work is a basic fundamental of your job description. Just cause you ain't on the clock doesn't mean you should disregard all of your job duties. The folks paying your salary dam sure expect you to show up knowing what has changed in your manual, what taxiway is closed, what the weather is doing today.
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