Close Call at JFK
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Is "who gets the blame?" really the important part when two planes collide on a runway and there was a clear safety deficit on the part of the "innocent" party which, removed, could have prevented it? The other guy does have a solid point and hopefully procedural changes come about at Delta as a result. Use of a HUD for night VMC takeoff at a major airport is a net negative to safe operation.
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You’re blaming the crew who followed takeoff clearance rather than the jet with 3 pilots up front who crossed the wrong runway and didn’t have the foggiest even after the fact. Inferiority complex?
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The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
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Yes, it's definitely a great idea to take off with a 777 bearing down on you at full taxi speed because, shrug, well the controller cleared you, your responsibility has ended.
The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
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Yes, it's definitely a great idea to take off with a 777 bearing down on you at full taxi speed because, shrug, well the controller cleared you, your responsibility has ended.
The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
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Yes, it's definitely a great idea to take off with a 777 bearing down on you at full taxi speed because, shrug, well the controller cleared you, your responsibility has ended.
The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
The second thing it appears you have never done is takeoff on 4L at night during a peak timeframe. The 737 crew would have been looking at a sea of lights from numerous aircraft near the 777 backlit by multiple terminals. No one is going to see a 777 approaching 4L 4000 feet away in those conditions. Even if it were possible to see them you would not expect them to cross. The first real opportunity to see the 777 would have been as it actually crossed the runway and moved into a darker area clear of the other aircraft and terminals. It appears they did in fact see the 777 and were already aborting when tower called. As far as the 777 bearing down on them it crossed the runway heading 90 degrees off.
What you should be asking is how a experienced JFK crew departing with a very commonly used runway departure configuration thought they were going off 31L on a flight to Europe. You should also ask why they then departed losing the CVR data which would have been a critical tool in understanding what happened and perhaps prevented a future accident.
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Yes, it's definitely a great idea to take off with a 777 bearing down on you at full taxi speed because, shrug, well the controller cleared you, your responsibility has ended.
The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
The captain never saw them because he was focused on a HUD. The FO was heads down. That's a procedure that needs to be looked at. If the controller hadn't caught it, we'd be looking at Tenerife. Plenty of blame to go around, not just AA
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I don't fly 777s.
As CBreezy/OOfff says, "damn you seem know a lot about this event".
You're probably too young but ever heard of an airline called Comair? But thanks for exuding more Delta Pilots Superiority for the rest of us to make fun of. I know this will shock you, but not everyone wants to work for your air line.
I suspect there are two things you have never done. The first is use a HUD. HUD’s are focused at infinity so your eyes are set to see at a distance not 6 inches away. You will see far more outside with a HUD than shifting scan from inside to outside the aircraft with rapidly changing focal lengths.
The second thing it appears you have never done is takeoff on 4L at night during a peak timeframe. The 737 crew would have been looking at a sea of lights from numerous aircraft near the 777 backlit by multiple terminals. No one is going to see a 777 approaching 4L 4000 feet away in those conditions. Even if it were possible to see them you would not expect them to cross. The first real opportunity to see the 777 would have been as it actually crossed the runway and moved into a darker area clear of the other aircraft and terminals. It appears they did in fact see the 777 and were already aborting when tower called. As far as the 777 bearing down on them it crossed the runway heading 90 degrees off.
What you should be asking is how a experienced JFK crew departing with a very commonly used runway departure configuration thought they were going off 31L on a flight to Europe. You should also ask why they then departed losing the CVR data which would have been a critical tool in understanding what happened and perhaps prevented a future accident.
The second thing it appears you have never done is takeoff on 4L at night during a peak timeframe. The 737 crew would have been looking at a sea of lights from numerous aircraft near the 777 backlit by multiple terminals. No one is going to see a 777 approaching 4L 4000 feet away in those conditions. Even if it were possible to see them you would not expect them to cross. The first real opportunity to see the 777 would have been as it actually crossed the runway and moved into a darker area clear of the other aircraft and terminals. It appears they did in fact see the 777 and were already aborting when tower called. As far as the 777 bearing down on them it crossed the runway heading 90 degrees off.
What you should be asking is how a experienced JFK crew departing with a very commonly used runway departure configuration thought they were going off 31L on a flight to Europe. You should also ask why they then departed losing the CVR data which would have been a critical tool in understanding what happened and perhaps prevented a future accident.
You're probably too young but ever heard of an airline called Comair? But thanks for exuding more Delta Pilots Superiority for the rest of us to make fun of. I know this will shock you, but not everyone wants to work for your air line.
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I don't fly 777s.
As CBreezy/OOfff says, "damn you seem know a lot about this event".
You're probably too young but ever heard of an airline called Comair? But thanks for exuding more Delta Pilots Superiority for the rest of us to make fun of. I know this will shock you, but not everyone wants to work for your air line.
As CBreezy/OOfff says, "damn you seem know a lot about this event".
You're probably too young but ever heard of an airline called Comair? But thanks for exuding more Delta Pilots Superiority for the rest of us to make fun of. I know this will shock you, but not everyone wants to work for your air line.
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yes. yes. Next.
Glad you've once again decided to be the self appointed investigator and ruler of the inter webs. Yawn. Don't you have a TA to be reading through?
Best thing about trolling you Delta boys and girls is that you cannot resist responding. It's just too easy. Hence why we hear all the BS on guard up and down the east coast. But keep embarrassing yourselves exuding your feelings of superiority. I can count to 3 before one of you does it on here any time anyone not at Delta mentions Delta.
Glad you've once again decided to be the self appointed investigator and ruler of the inter webs. Yawn. Don't you have a TA to be reading through?
Best thing about trolling you Delta boys and girls is that you cannot resist responding. It's just too easy. Hence why we hear all the BS on guard up and down the east coast. But keep embarrassing yourselves exuding your feelings of superiority. I can count to 3 before one of you does it on here any time anyone not at Delta mentions Delta.
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