Originally Posted by Cogf16

Retired Delta 7ER guy here. Fleet harmonization extends all the way down to who makes a PA??? We always had the relief guy do the PAs, especially prior to TO when the 2 up front guys were concentrating on before TO stuff. Really makes the most sense....but common sense often times loses out to other prioritie$.....Oh and FWIW, I don't think I would have continued on to LHR.

Originally Posted by aa73

I upgraded 6 years ago. I was considered part of the “newer” generation of Captains (hired in 2000) that were slowly breaking away from the years and years of ancestral worship plaguing this airline. I actively involve the F/O in every decision I make… hey, how’s this arrival fuel, wanna add more? Hey whaddaya think about this alternate.. etc, etc. Most of them look at me like I was from another planet. Nowadays it’s slowly getting better.

So I also and constantly offered the F/O every PA imaginable. Guess what.. maybe 1 out of 100 would take me up on it. Everyone else? “They don’t pay me enough to make PAs.” Ok then.

THAT’s probably why the reaction is what it is today. It’s not that it’s not being offered - it’s just that captains are probably sick of offering them and being told no thanks over and over again.

FYI, just about 100% of F/Os I fly with are former Captains and could do the job as well or even better than I can, right now, today.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying

how dare those Delta pilots *checks notes* comply with a company procedure. Must all be wanting to play top gun.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Feel better now, Maverick?

Just because you're following company policy doesn't mean it's not a stupid policy that should be changed for safety's sake.

Friends at Delta tell me that the captain involved went on some in house message board y'all have and admitted he never saw the 777 until the controller called the abort. If true, that's troubling and it should be looked into. Could have been much worse and makes the captain equally culpable, much less than the hero Delta's media department wants him to be seen. Total lack of SA both for not noticing the looming jet and then talking about a Class 1 NTSB investigation outside of school.

Originally Posted by CADR

Sadly this is pretty true. A lot of the old left seat guys are also getting butt hurt that their is a hiring boom and most of the new FOs are sub 35 years old. They think beings at a regional and being a regional jet Captain is like flying left seat in a 172…

Honestly though most issues stem from the older guys at AA being from a completely different era and are all former military and never worked at a regional. They are just frankly out of touch with reality on a lot of things.

It’s a different world these days and thankfully AA will be a completely new airline so to speak in 5 years or so with all the retirements.

Originally Posted by formerdal

In the dark at night, Equally culpable? RUFKM? Should he have seen him, hopefully, but culpable? Not even remotely. You sir are a piece of work!

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Why are they taking off on the HUD on a clear night? The HUD focuses your vision about 6 inches in front of you. The FO is heads down staring at the gauges. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

But by all means pass the blame off on an overwhelmed female AA FO and a geriatric AA captain who got lost at JFK after 30 some years piloting a jet there and a controller talking a mile a minute and not verifying anything. Not your infallible air line's asinine policies which contributed to this incident 50-50. You sir are a piece of work. Go back to yelling at someone on guard. We all enjoy it.

Oh wait. you're former dal. You don't even have skin in the game any more. How's that pension?

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Why are they taking off on the HUD on a clear night? The HUD focuses your vision about 6 inches in front of you. The FO is heads down staring at the gauges. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

But by all means pass the blame off on an overwhelmed female AA FO and a geriatric AA captain who got lost at JFK after 30 some years piloting a jet there and a controller talking a mile a minute and not verifying anything. Not your infallible air line's asinine policies which contributed to this incident 50-50. You sir are a piece of work. Go back to yelling at someone on guard. We all enjoy it.

Oh wait. you're former dal. You don't even have skin in the game any more. How's that pension?

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Why are they taking off on the HUD on a clear night? The HUD focuses your vision about 6 inches in front of you. The FO is heads down staring at the gauges. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

But by all means pass the blame off on an overwhelmed female AA FO and a geriatric AA captain who got lost at JFK after 30 some years piloting a jet there and a controller talking a mile a minute and not verifying anything. Not your infallible air line's asinine policies which contributed to this incident 50-50. You sir are a piece of work. Go back to yelling at someone on guard. We all enjoy it.

Oh wait. you're former dal. You don't even have skin in the game any more. How's that pension?

Originally Posted by Myfingershurt

Umm, yeah, it’s usually not the guy that was cleared for takeoff by ATC that takes the heat in a runway incursion but more the lost guy that can’t read taxiway signs that crossed the wrong runway and almost caused a catastrophe. Yeah, i think that usually where the blame gets placed. But nice try. Thanks for playing.