Tjeff

I have been on property less than a minute. This campaign is aimed against the company and APA correct? The limited exposure I have had show me most people aren’t interested in a short term deal correct? It seems if a short term deal is agreed upon it will focus on getting rid of reassignments and fixing recovery obligations. I am curious what else is there that needs to be fixed in a long term deal? Don’t attack I’m admittedly new and naive! Just want to really see what else needs to be fixed and how much longer a it would take for a long term vs short term deal.

LBFO79

it is aimed at the company, organized by APA.

Basically, the company's approach to pilots is to never offer them a non-bankruptcy, non-concessionary, non-bankruptcy arbitrated contract. The last contract AA pilots approved that were not under those terms was in 1999, so it has been over 23 years without American Airlines offering a pilot agreement the pilots actually wanted. American management simply sees nothing wrong with this airline or pilot contract. Isom and everyone is out of touch with the reality of life of pilots at American. Management only wants to offer short-term temporary benefits.

Once you get access to Jetnet, go listen to the latest 'crew news' videos. Now, I know you are saying you are new and don't understand everything they will be talking about. But let me just say this, everything the managing director of SOC says in the video is just a flat out misrepresentation of pilot schedule and flexibility at AA. They have everything locked down so tight, and it is about to get even worse in the next 6 months when TTOT(our live trip trade platform) goes away, and is replaced with an online trip trade system that won't even have the bandwidth capacity to deny all the trades people will attempt at this airline. This airline can't even have the web bandwidth required when everyone gets online to check their schedules on the 16th. It certainly won't handle the web traffic generated by pilots trying to trade trips when trading opens up. Their solution will be to deny everything anyway, then eventually no one will ever attempt a trade anyway.

Rroku

The impression I got at the APA dinner was that APA wants a short term deal, not necessarily the pilots, in order to go after QOL upgrades that won't cost AA a ton of $$$$$. Then after they upgrade QOL, and the two year deal is up, then they'll go for money - especially if Delta or United pilots can cash in on their contacts. But I'm just a FNG and I might be off base, who knows what will actually happen.

sanicom3205

RO isn't going away, maybe the terms will be changed slightly.

The whole "not interested in short term deal" is that they don't want to play along with management as they attempt to repair massive problems with LOAs. APA is saying pony up and negotiate a contract with us in good faith, as we aren't interested in anything else. There are a lot of issues with the contract, many more than just RO and reassignments. You'll have a "holy crap this is legal??" moment shortly

Arado 234

^ This!
​​​​​I couldn't have summarized it any better. This management has lost complete touch with reality, yet they tap each other on the shoulder how great they are.
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Tjeff

Well this gets to my first question, I have heard it’s not just the company but APA leadership and representatives who also want a short term deal. Is this correct? If so is this the right path?

blastoff

You're mixing terms. "Short term deals" we're complaining about are the LOA bandaid fixes that never address the contract. This is a reference to the 20-0 vote last month rejecting the Company's Holiday LOA.

The "Short Term Deal" (way different) you may have heard APA is seeking is a Contract with a shorter duration...contracts don't expire so you could still have that contract for years beyond the expiration, just like the current. Shorter duration contracts are more desirable because it allows us to more quickly leverage improvements made by other airlines. We don't want to be locked-in to an 8 year industry-lagging contract.

Tjeff

Okay that makes sense. Some of the people I was talking to said that APA was looking at hammering out a couple items and come to a short contract, because it would take too long to overhaul the whole contract. They didn’t seem happy about that approach. What you’re saying makes a lot of sense though.

blastoff

There were some rumors like that around summertime but I haven't heard anything about that recently. It seems like significant progress was made over the last month, the Check Airman mass resignations are giving us a great deal of leverage well beyond the 20-0 vote.

dk104444

Inflation is now a factor in this contract and it is here to stay. The new pay rate must reflect the 15% inflation in 2021 and 2022. At least 30% increase in pay scale.