Longhornmaniac8

Absolutely. We're not threatening anything. We're making a change. A change that is ours to make, and a result of a choice made by the APA.

There's nothing subsequent to this that we're threatening. We're not trying to get anyone's attention with a "shot across the bow" for some future action.

This change stands on its own. Nothing more, nothing less.

Context matters, and the whole point is this change isn't being made unilaterally. It's the result of a decision made, and righting a wrong.

I don't expect the AAG pilots to be happy about it. I wouldn't be either, but I do expect them to accept it. They've been the beneficiaries of a priority on our metal that hasn't been reciprocated.

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sanicom3205

“they aren't in dress code, they're missing required documentation, they didn't respect the crew, they scabbed and the captain has a problem with it”

What do all these things have in common? Individual pilot action.

Much different than “you work for American Airlines”

Al Czervik

I don’t know why I post on this thread. I don’t commute. I will say this thread is changing minds. Not in your favor. I’d let your union hash it out. You’re weaponizing the Jumpseat. Do what you want to do but this stuff never ends well.

Longhornmaniac8

Ever been awarded the jumpseat and had an own metal pilot show up at the last minute and bump you after it was awarded? Ever been trumped in priority order by a pilot who had higher priority? This happens literally every day.

You're being turned away because of the company you work for in both cases. It's not personal.

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sanicom3205

Yeah it’s funny though, having a system put in place that takes the individual out of it just leaves a different taste in your mouth than having a system that awards you a seat and then having someone go outside the system to kick you off.

Longhornmaniac8

This is part of the problem: it doesn't affect me so why should I care?

We're not weaponizing the jumpseat. At all. No pilot is going to be turned away if there's an open jumpseat. Affecting a change is not remotely equivalent to weaponizing the jumpseat.

I suppose we'll see what happens, but what this boils down to is "something is changing and I don't like it, therefore it's not justified" without regard to the history or objective consideration of the status quo.

Thankfully the only person I've encountered who looks at the situation as it stands and says, "yep, this is totally fair and the way it should be" is Cujo. Every person I've discussed this with in the real world, including a multitude of AAG pilots, understands exactly where we're coming from and why we feel justified in our actions.

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Longhornmaniac8

I don't know what to tell you. It's your software, not ours. You've just been the beneficiary of that for long enough that nothing else seems legitimate, I guess. If we had it our way, we'd have an in-house listing system a la Spirit, but that seems to not be in the cards.

We deal with the same crap when we have to list own metal as an AAC. They have to clear the system out of order manually, so it's far from this perfect solution.

Again, I think you're a reasonable dude and can be more objective than most on here. This change isn't happening *because* we didn't get our way. A change was going to be made regardless. Which change was genuinely up to AAG/APA, but an equal, reciprocal agreement was absolutely necessary for Republic. I'd like to think any airline would pursue the same for its pilots.

No one, perhaps save for an extreme minority of petty, vindictive individuals at Republic, wants to see AAG pilots left behind on our Eagle flights. I'm certainly not one of those, nor do I believe anyone in our Union leadership is, either.

That said, I think we're all prepared to make a principled stand for what we perceive as being fair. Either a mutual priority is given or a mutual lack-of-priority is given. A solution where one side gets priority and the other doesn't is not a viable option. We've provided AAG literal years to rectify this through a series of negotiations, providing a variety of solutions that ranged from no-cost solutions to expensive, technology-led solutions, and it hasn't happened.

I accept that. A choice has been made, which led Republic to make a choice of its own. And here we are.

I hope more sensible heads prevail and we reach a mutual agreement that restores the priority y'all (rightfully) deserve while giving us a small bump that (I believe) we deserve.

But feeling slighted by a decision that is a direct result of a choice your side made is, in my opinion, misplaced frustration.

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ACEssXfer

This "result of our choice" argument that's been going around is nonsense.

Your mortgage company comes to you and say "We are going to double your interest rate on the fixed rate mortgage we both singed. If you don't agree we will take your house." You take them to court and the judge says "Well sir/ma'am it looks like you DECIDED to let them take your house. The contract you both signed doesn't matter because them taking your house was a direct result of you decision." Obviously wouldn't happen.

YOUR airline FORCED us to make this decision. There was a status quo and RAH had a temper tantrum and decided to change it.

Longhornmaniac8

There was a status quo that benefitted only AAG and Republic decided that it needed to be equal, which is a wholely reasonable position to take. We attempted to work with AAG to reach a mutually beneficial solution and negate any impact to your pilots. AAG decided, because reasons, to decline it, and now you're suffering the consequences of that choice.

Easy to say we had a temper tantrum from your perspective where you benefitted from an unequal agreement and never even had to think about how the other party to the agreement was being impacted.

It's astounding to me how people can actually defend this agreement and then take the position that Republic is in the wrong for pursuing equal treatment.

From my perspective it's some select AAG people that are throwing a temper tantrum because the little guy deigns to not just accept an unequal status quo and did what they had to do to fix it.

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Varsity

Didn't republic just fight UAL over the jumpseat or was that Skywest?