Jumpseat Battle Brewing
05-27-2021, 10:08 AM
#792
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Yes. Regional pilots always talk about getting rid of the B scale... that's how it would go down. The regional industry would not go quietly into the dark, it would fight for survival of some sort and that would mean furloughs and contracts wiped out in BK as they frantically transition to branded ops. Eventual liquidation for most. Pilots caught in the middle.
You have to assume that you'd have to apply OTS for a mainline job.
Best case you get flow of some sort. Or maybe you have the option of staying at the regional as they desperately try to adopt a new business model.
But I wouldn't lose any sleep, regional industry is not going away (although some regionals do come and go over time).
You have to assume that you'd have to apply OTS for a mainline job.
Best case you get flow of some sort. Or maybe you have the option of staying at the regional as they desperately try to adopt a new business model.
But I wouldn't lose any sleep, regional industry is not going away (although some regionals do come and go over time).
05-27-2021, 10:12 AM
#793
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Ok, I agree. It would be a shame to hope that anyone lose their job. Imagine the immense turmoil tens of thousands of families would endure if one of these regionals just shut down without some sort of job protection afterwards.
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05-27-2021, 10:21 AM
#794
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Jumpseat Battle Brewing
Yes. Regional pilots always talk about getting rid of the B scale... that's how it would go down. The regional industry would not go quietly into the dark, it would fight for survival of some sort and that would mean furloughs and contracts wiped out in BK as they frantically transition to branded ops. Eventual liquidation for most. Pilots caught in the middle.
You have to assume that you'd have to apply OTS for a mainline job.
Best case you get flow of some sort. Or maybe you have the option of staying at the regional as they desperately try to adopt a new business model.
But I wouldn't lose any sleep, regional industry is not going away (although some regionals do come and go over time).
You have to assume that you'd have to apply OTS for a mainline job.
Best case you get flow of some sort. Or maybe you have the option of staying at the regional as they desperately try to adopt a new business model.
But I wouldn't lose any sleep, regional industry is not going away (although some regionals do come and go over time).
I’m sure that’s how it would go down but it will/could be a very sad state for very many people and their families. In the end it would be for the better of the industry, but it would be absolute chaos in the mean time. Some comments come across as tone deaf to a very real possibility.
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05-27-2021, 10:45 AM
#795
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I'm more worried about what seems like unlimited code sharing with other major domestic/international airlines.
05-27-2021, 10:48 AM
#796
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Not covered by our scope clause, so what are we supposed to do? I for one will worry about what is in our control. APA just signed away it’s right to file a grievance for the scope violations currently in progress. In return we got furlough protection (HAH!) and some cash for vaccinations. Meanwhile, delta’s mec is going at management with everything in their power to prevent those additional large RJs from coming on line. Wish we’d be more like that
05-27-2021, 10:54 AM
#797
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Not covered by our scope clause, so what are we supposed to do? I for one will worry about what is in our control. APA just signed away it’s right to file a grievance for the scope violations currently in progress. In return we got furlough protection (HAH!) and some cash for vaccinations. Meanwhile, delta’s mec is going at management with everything in their power to prevent those additional large RJs from coming on line. Wish we’d be more like that
But, I know nothing to begin with.
05-27-2021, 11:16 AM
#798
You scratched my anchor
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For the jumpseat that is completely untrue. They are our flights, not AA's, for all matters pertaining to the jumpseat. That is, quite simply, the first rule of the jumpseat.
This is actually the first time I've explicitly seen first hand anyone try and argue that the jumpseat belongs to any carrier other than the operating carrier.
It's a startling sense of entitlement that has no place in the industry.
The jumpseats on Republic-operated flights will be governed by Republic captains, and therefore, Republic policies and procedures. None of AAG, Delta, United, or any other carrier have any say on how our jumpseat will be awarded.
Cujo keeps saying "it's over" because the APA walked away. The negotiations are over, that is apparently true, but this situation is over with Republic changing their FOM to mirror the priority we're granted on AAG jumpseats. Any difficulties that arise therefrom are the responsibility of AAG to rectify.
At least we've dispelled the notion Republic is denying anyone the jumpseat...all AAG pilots will continue to be welcome on Republic jumpseats in the proper priority order as governed by our FOM.
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This is actually the first time I've explicitly seen first hand anyone try and argue that the jumpseat belongs to any carrier other than the operating carrier.
It's a startling sense of entitlement that has no place in the industry.
The jumpseats on Republic-operated flights will be governed by Republic captains, and therefore, Republic policies and procedures. None of AAG, Delta, United, or any other carrier have any say on how our jumpseat will be awarded.
Cujo keeps saying "it's over" because the APA walked away. The negotiations are over, that is apparently true, but this situation is over with Republic changing their FOM to mirror the priority we're granted on AAG jumpseats. Any difficulties that arise therefrom are the responsibility of AAG to rectify.
At least we've dispelled the notion Republic is denying anyone the jumpseat...all AAG pilots will continue to be welcome on Republic jumpseats in the proper priority order as governed by our FOM.
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05-27-2021, 11:17 AM
#799
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Posts: 527
He did address it in the beginning of the post where he took the new, and stunning, tack that the regional "doesn't have any" own metal, and implying that the mainline customer is the rightful owner of the jumpseat. Of course he's laughably wrong in that, but at least it brings consistency to where has been the long-running double standard of OAL one way and not not the other. (Now it's OAL both ways, but the same airline is the "other" one!) So I've got to at least applaud him on that.
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