Wanderlust

Yeah, it's a lot better now.

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magnus0322

Nonrev benefits have zero to do with JS access but you know that right?

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greatmovieistar

Just want to be clear here, AA, APAs, and your position is that RPA should be denied a reciprocal jump seat agreement with AA because there is jealously that they get non rev bennies on all three? Even if those non rev benefits are the lowest priority on all three just above zed?

This has to be one of the most petty reasons for denying a reciprocal agreement that I have seen. It is almost as bad as sanicom lying about AA pilots being denied jump seats on RPA aircraft. So much disinformation out there.

rickair7777

As teamsters, they probably get a discount on UPS shipments that APA doesn't. Maybe APA should lobby to ensure they can't check luggage when they nonrev? Wouldn't be fair if they can send discounted packages AND check free luggage...

Longhornmaniac8

Would an AA pilot trade places? I'll gladly trade my spot at Republic with them so they can have flight benefits on three airlines.

The fact remains non-rev travel continues to be a strawman tossed out as a way to distract from the real issues. It is not relevant to a discussion of jumpseat agreements. At all.

What AA chooses to do with their codeshare partners is their business. B6 and AS are still AA competitors, regardless of codeshare or alliance status. Particularly in the case of B6, the codeshare is not systemwide. And in the case of AS, even though they are both oneworld now, a passenger flying on AA metal on an AA code will not make AS any money, and vice versa. This notion that B6 and AS now share an equal relationship with AA's contract regionals is laughably false.

Your characterization of the YX Union as A) going down a path that leads to a jumpseat war, and B) anything other than mindful and reasonable is patently false on both accounts. The IBT has gone through all the appropriate channels to pursue these changes on AA, and has never once explicitly or implicitly instructed jumpseat denials. Moreover, they have always pursued the option that has no effect to AA pilots. Don't mistake a lack of APA cooperation for a lack of awareness/intent by IBT.

You are speaking as if you're in a position of knowledge when your comments clearly demonstrate otherwise.

Cujo665

The short answer is jumpseating is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit. Keep company interests out of jumpseat policy. That’s a door that should not be opened.

Cujo665

non-sequitur
if you’d like to trade with an Envoy, PSA, or PDT guy, go ahead.

of course it’s relevant. Your travel benefits are already superior to both at mainline and WO.
None of them can put family on United or Delta with anything other than a ZED, which your status comes well ahead of.

its also relevant because the travel policies were all known well before anybody took a job anywhere. The WO’s all pay lower, have worse schedules, and in some cases much longer upgrades. They as WO do however come before independent contractors for the JS.
there are benefits advantages and disadvantages depending who you decided to go work for.

and you do business directly supporting two of AA’s largest competitors, so what? At least those full codeshare partners aren’t out supporting the others like you do.
AA.com is putting passengers on those codeshare flights, and unlike with you, not having to pay an independent contractor to do it.


your missing the point. They shouldn’t be going down that pathway at all. There are no proper channels to argue a business interest in what is purely a pilot benefit. You’re opening a door that should not be opened. Business interests like who an OAL pilot flys for have no place in jumpseat policy. You are either owned, or you’re not. It’s that simple. If they can interject a business interest now, it opens the door to more business interests being added later.

I was an ALPA MEC rep two times Republic Pilots tried this same crap. It was as wrong then as it is now. So, yeah... I may not have read this newest version of the same complaint, but I’ll guarantee you it is exactly that, the same complaint.

smarten up. Keep the business interest argument out of jumpseating. That’s a door nobody should open.

honestly, hiring is picking up again. You’re time would be better spent working to get out of the regionals.

vessbot

Haha, nice.

sanicom3205

First off, you as a mod are quoting someone who is lying, which is kind of ironic in and of itself.

But let’s just look at AA and RAH like you want us to. Can AA pilots jumpseat on all republic flights?

rickair7777

It was a joking metaphor. But if you can actually prove he's lying, I'll address it.

I can JS on all YX flights, why can't you?