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Old 05-22-2021, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
Just curious, are the gate agents AA or RAH?



If they're AA, I think you're all overlooking what would probably happen.



They have a D2 and a D6. RAH captain says put on the D6. Maybe the agent will, but I doubt it. If they do, said AA pilot can call and ask the standby list be audited and it will show the agent didn't board in priority order. Sure the J/S belongs to the captain, but the D6 still has to be cleared through CASS. Agents will start saying they don't have time and no one will ride.



Just throwing out another alternative. Don't work at either, not affected, just amused.
D2 don't necessarily get cleared for the JS ahead of D6

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Old 05-22-2021, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
Your company signed an agreement
This is the umpteenth time the "agreement" has been referenced as if its terms support the APA side, and the umpteenth time I'm asking if they actually support that side. So far the only response to that is someone (from your side, at that) saying that the terms don't matter. I didn't think that things would go that way, but there you have it.
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Old 05-22-2021, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pilot2804
tbh not sure what is so hard for AAG to understand



AA Mainline

AA WO

YX/Mesa/Skywest (on AA colors)

OAL



Like.... how is that so difficult? You are going to throw a JS war at 3 non-wholly owns just to try and prove a point that makes zero sense? Why do you need JS priority on YX/Mesa/Skywest branded DL/UA flights? How does the make sense?
AAG pilots have drawn a line in the sand over an industry standard agreement

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Old 05-22-2021, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
AAG’s entire fleet is FCFS to all airlines and you complain about it not being reciprocal.

To make it fair/reciprocal you make a portion of your fleet FCFS to all airlines, and another portion based on affiliate then FCFS.

That’s not reciprocal, I thought this whole thing started of it not being reciprocal, and it still isn’t.
AA's entire fleet is "based on affiliate then FCFS," same as you complain about Republic's U/D portion. It is most certainly not "FCFS to all airlines" like you attempt to brag in the first sentence.
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Old 05-22-2021, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
AA's entire fleet is "based on affiliate then FCFS," same as you complain about Republic's U/D portion. It is most certainly not "FCFS to all airlines" like you attempt to brag in the first sentence.
Nah. Clearly PiedvoySA are part of APA and not affiliated

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Old 05-22-2021, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
I can help. If you stop using the terms reciprocal or equal, we will stop pointing out that you cannot give us what you are asking us to give you. You want priority on all AA flights and can only give us priority on half of your flights. That’s about as simple as it gets.
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How are you as an AAG pilot hurt by giving the non wholly owned regionals a bump in priority over OAL for doing American Eagle flying? The answer is you are not hurt in any way. It all comes down to your ego and not wanting to see us get a perceived gain.

If you want priority in the YX JS you will have it again when we get that slight bump above OAL and BELOW EVERY AAG pilot.

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I am simply explaining to you why you are getting the reaction that you are. Do you get that?

Any harm to me personally is not a consideration though, for the record. There is this thing called empathy though. We can also walk and chew gum, it’s not all about how it effects our personal situation. It’s a nuanced topic that can’t be boiled down to how it effects me, or any pilot, personally.
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Old 05-22-2021, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
I am simply explaining to you why you are getting the reaction that you are. Do you get that?



Any harm to me personally is not a consideration though, for the record. There is this thing called empathy though. We can also walk and chew gum, it’s not all about how it effects our personal situation. It’s a nuanced topic that can’t be boiled down to how it effects me, or any pilot, personally.
I just want to understand your opposition since giving us what we are asking for causes no harm to any AAG pilot. I could understand if we were asking to have priority equal to the wholly owned regionals but that's not anywhere close to what we are asking. Is the opposition simply because we get something and you get nothing in return in your eyes?

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Old 05-22-2021, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
I just want to understand your opposition since giving us what we are asking for causes no harm to any AAG pilot. I could understand if we were asking to have priority equal to the wholly owned regionals but that's not anywhere close to what we are asking. Is the opposition simply because we get something and you get nothing in return in your eyes?

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You guys sealed your fate with your last jumpseat war. The fact that I can say that and everyone knows what I’m talking about says it all. Here you are, yet again, weaponizing the jumpseat to accomplish your goals. That is sacrilegious and the fact that you can’t see that the substance of your argument is worthless when you conduct yourselves like entitled amateurs with no respect for the profession is the reason we will never see eye to eye.

I was just trying to explain something very simple to you, that the reason we get mad when you use the terms reciprocal and equal is because you can’t offer anything reciprocal or equal. You brought everything else into it.
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Old 05-22-2021, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
You guys sealed your fate with your last jumpseat war. The fact that I can say that and everyone knows what I’m talking about says it all. Here you are, yet again, weaponizing the jumpseat to accomplish your goals. That is sacrilegious and the fact that you can’t see that the substance of your argument is worthless when you conduct yourselves like amateurs is the reason we will never see eye to eye.



I was just trying to explain something very simple to you, that the reason we get mad when you use the terms reciprocal and equal is because you can’t offer anything reciprocal or equal. You brought everything else into it.
No one is weaponizing the jumpseat. Completely and utterly false. AAG pilots are not being denied the JS. What happened with UA is well documented. UALPA tried to make UA pilots number 1 for every JS. Would you be ok if APA said AA pilots go ahead of PDT / PSA / Envoy pilots in the JS? So say Envoy flight the AA pilot goes ahead of everyone except Envoy? It's my understanding for the AE flights the wholly owneds go ahead of AA.

Reciprocal means you give me this and I give you something in return that is similar. Why do you feel entitled to priority in the YX JS yet call us OAL? If we are OAL then you are OAL too. You can't have it one way to give yourself priority and on the other end use it to deny us an elevated priority over OAL. The non wholly owned AA regionals should get priority over OAL. It's Industry Standard. UA does it. DL does it. Giving the non wholly owned AA regionals priority does not harm a single AA, PSA, PDT, or ENY pilot.

YX has seeked a change to this situation for many years. Even AAG management understood the issue and was willing to work with local357 and YX management. It's truly a shame that APA chose the option that harms pilots rather than the option that makes life better for all. I find it ironic that receiving the same priority I get on your JS is seen as something so horrible that feathers are ruffled and threats of the jumpseat agreement being cancelled are all you have to contribute.

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