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Old 05-22-2021, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RIPV3
That's fair then, was a genuine question.



Why can't you Republic pilots answer a question without getting an attitude?
I don't see any more attitude in the responses then the attitude I see in your questions.

Originally Posted by RIPV3
Does Republic get priority on Delta and United JS flights over Skywest? And they want priority on AA as well over them? If that's the case, how is that fair? They fly a significant amount of their regional routes and generate a ****load of money to help pay those mainline salaries.
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Old 05-22-2021, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RIPV3
It actually was, my bad if it came off wrong.

But what doesn't make sense is telling an AA pilot that the JS is already taken by a Delta pilot on an AA flight. Good luck winning that battle.
Jumpseat is RPA, not AA.

You better be careful or Cujo is going to come in here and scold you for trying to mix business interest into the jumpseat. Actually maybe not, he tends to forget about this rule when it supports his argument.
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Old 05-22-2021, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
Negative, this would help Skywest and Mesa as well as they are non-exclusive carriers for AA too and would not be considered OAL and have the same priority as RPA, but lower priority than AAG and AA.
Personally I'd have no issue if it went

AA

wholly owned

AA contracted carriers (Skywest, Republic)/code shares (JetBlue, Alaska)

OAL (Delta, United) as an example.

But I think Republic is going about this the wrong way treating AA pilots as OAL on AA flights. No matter what you say or how you justify it or how you try to spin it. It could lead to negative consequences.
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Old 05-22-2021, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RIPV3
Personally I'd have no issue if it went

AA

wholly owned

AA contracted carriers (Skywest, Republic)/code shares (JetBlue, Alaska)

OAL (Delta, United) as an example.

But I think Republic is going about this the wrong way treating AA pilots as OAL on AA flights, no matter what you say or how you justify it or how you try to spin it.
What you described is industry standard and what already occurs at DL and UA and is all RPA is asking for. Unfortunately this has been going on for years and all other options were exhausted before this step was taken. It is not like RPA is coming out of the blue with this.

As a line pilot am I looking forward to having to manually decide who sits the jumpseat each time? No. But then again I am not going to go against my Union and my brotherhood of pilots either. I sympathize with those who were displaced out of MIA and are now forced to commute on always full AA flights to fly AA trips most of the time.
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Old 05-22-2021, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RIPV3
But I think Republic is going about this the wrong way treating AA pilots as OAL on AA flights. No matter what you say or how you justify it or how you try to spin it. It could lead to negative consequences.
But under the premise of Republic being OAL (which is held dearly by opponents of Republic's proposal) how is this wrong? On what basis should Republic treat AA differently?
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Old 05-22-2021, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
What you described is industry standard and what already occurs at DL and UA and is all RPA is asking for.
Maybe some of my confusion is, IIRC, reading some posts about Republic pilots complaining they didn't get priority over code shares. There was one about JB. Lot of posts on this thread and I'm not going back to verify. As if they wanted priority over them as well. To me that's a solid no.

What does sound off is that Republic wants priority on 100% of AA flights while not giving AA pilots priority on 100% of theirs. With that said I'm trying to keep an open mind and shift my thinking.

Instead of looking at it like
AA
wholly owned
AA contracted carriers/code shares
OAL

Look at it from DLs perspective
DL
wholly owned
DL contracted/ code shares
OAL

Of course AA shouldn't get priority on ALL of your flights.

If Republic is only looking for priority over Delta, United, Southwest, etc - anyone that isn't part of AA in any way, being owned, contracted, code share or anything, then it makes sense.

Just my take.
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Old 05-22-2021, 09:02 AM
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How do RAH and Skywest jockey between FDJ and listing S3 on Delta. Does agent list whoever was first for a cabin seat, or who has fastest fingers switching online gets a JS on Delta?

AA just needs to send out an email to the gate agents that if there’s an AAC listed they can just check CASS and clear them down without listing D6 and restarting a check in time. Whole problem is solved.

Or RAH can make 2 listings then delete the one they don’t need.

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Old 05-22-2021, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
But under the premise of Republic being OAL (which is held dearly by opponents of Republic's proposal) how is this wrong? On what basis should Republic treat AA differently?
Because the plane says AA, it's an AA flight. How are AA pilots OAL on an AA flight?
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Old 05-22-2021, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RIPV3
Maybe some of my confusion is, IIRC, reading some posts about Republic pilots complaining they didn't get priority over code shares. There was one about JB. Lot of posts on this thread and I'm not going back to verify. As if they wanted priority over them as well. To me that's a solid no.

What does sound off is that Republic wants priority on 100% of AA flights while not giving AA pilots priority on 100% of theirs. With that said I'm trying to keep an open mind and shift my thinking.

Instead of looking at it like
AA
wholly owned
AA contracted carriers/code shares
OAL

Look at it from DLs perspective
DL
wholly owned
DL contracted/ code shares
OAL

Of course AA shouldn't get priority on ALL of your flights.

If Republic is only looking for priority over Delta, United, Southwest, etc - anyone that isn't part of AA in any way, being owned, contracted, code share or anything, then it makes sense.

Just my take.
We are doing codeshares now? Should Qatar Airways pilots get priority too while we are at it? There is a huge difference between a codeshare and a contracted regional carrier. No we don't fly 100% AA flights, that is why we wouldn't be above any AAG pilot. We would be non exclusive along with Skywest and Mesa which would be lower priority than AAG pilots, but still above OAL. That is the penalty for being nonexclusive. Any Envoy, PSA, or Piedmont pilot can kick my ass off the jumpseat. If that is not good enough then what is the big issue of treating an airline the same that treats you as OAL?
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Old 05-22-2021, 09:09 AM
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Up above you had no problem with code shares, now you do? Code shares like JB and Alaska do contribute to AA. Anyway, agree with it or not that's just MY personal take. Good luck.
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