Jumpseat Battle Brewing
05-20-2021, 03:16 PM
#591
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Just answer the question. You said that it sounds like a good idea to counter with that proposal. Be clear in what you’re saying and don’t change the subject. Are you saying that APA should’ve countered with priority for AA pilots in ALL Rah jump seats, exactly as you’re asking of us? Is that correct?
Here is your quote Im referring to. Don’t go off on a tangent, just clarify this
“That sounds like a decent proposal for APA to counter that. You might want to ask your rep why they haven't done this (which is confirmed) and instead let the situation get to this point.”
Here is your quote Im referring to. Don’t go off on a tangent, just clarify this
“That sounds like a decent proposal for APA to counter that. You might want to ask your rep why they haven't done this (which is confirmed) and instead let the situation get to this point.”
05-20-2021, 03:22 PM
#592
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You don’t have the frame of reference to understand I guess. Let me boil it down to the following.
There are times when a Rah airplane operates as an American Airlines flight (my employer).
There’s never a time that an AA airplane operates a Republic Airlines flight (your employer).
There are times when a Rah airplane operates as an American Airlines flight (my employer).
There’s never a time that an AA airplane operates a Republic Airlines flight (your employer).
05-20-2021, 03:24 PM
#593
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So it's meaningless to speak of individual events, you'll always find an example of a winner and a loser under any system. Overall rates is the only meaningful aspect that can be discussed.
2. When you say mutual I believe you’re talking about just aa giving priority on 1/3 of our flights? How on earth would you even track that or separate it up? By airframe? By Airports? And just the idea that AA will have to try to code that into Decs stops the idea right in its tracks. That why I didn’t even bother to address that suggestion before.
05-20-2021, 03:27 PM
#594
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You don’t have the frame of reference to understand I guess. Let me boil it down to the following.
There are times when a Rah airplane operates as an American Airlines flight (my employer).
There’s never a time that an AA airplane operates a Republic Airlines flight (your employer).
There are times when a Rah airplane operates as an American Airlines flight (my employer).
There’s never a time that an AA airplane operates a Republic Airlines flight (your employer).
05-20-2021, 03:40 PM
#595
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You forgot to account for the other 2/3 of Republic pilots who show up to other networks instead of to Delta. I'm talking about overall rates, not individual events. Of course there are gonna be individual winners and losers when you get down to that level of granularity. But this is not only a failure of mutual priority, it's also true under your preferred system of mutual OAL. Because under that system, there would definitely be a Delta pilot who would show up to a Republic flight and lose to, say, a Spirit pilot who checked in earlier (who would have won under mutual priority).
So it's meaningless to speak of individual events, you'll always find an example of a winner and a loser under any system. Overall rates is the only meaningful aspect that can be discussed.
It doesn't have to be tracked, I'm talking about overall rates as groups, and letting go of small aberrations in the wash. If the overall wash is not good enough for you and you demand the tracking of every last crumb of the pie, then again, it's your prerogative to reject mutual priority. But if so, then again: what is your grounds for complaint over mutual OAL?
So it's meaningless to speak of individual events, you'll always find an example of a winner and a loser under any system. Overall rates is the only meaningful aspect that can be discussed.
It doesn't have to be tracked, I'm talking about overall rates as groups, and letting go of small aberrations in the wash. If the overall wash is not good enough for you and you demand the tracking of every last crumb of the pie, then again, it's your prerogative to reject mutual priority. But if so, then again: what is your grounds for complaint over mutual OAL?
05-20-2021, 03:44 PM
#596
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Wait a minute! Are you seriously suggesting the old “pinky swear” method for enforcing a jumpseat agreement? Wow now I’ve heard it all! Any chance I can also use the “pinky swear” method reciprocally? Oh no wait I can’t. Because I’ll be rejected by a united/delta gate agent. So a way to enforce compliance in one direction, and just a general “come on man” going in the other direction. Is that about right?
05-20-2021, 03:45 PM
#597
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You don’t have the frame of reference to understand I guess. Let me boil it down to the following.
There are times when a Rah airplane operates as an American Airlines flight (my employer).
There’s never a time that an AA airplane operates a Republic Airlines flight (your employer).
There are times when a Rah airplane operates as an American Airlines flight (my employer).
There’s never a time that an AA airplane operates a Republic Airlines flight (your employer).
05-20-2021, 03:54 PM
#598
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His point is that because AAG subcontracted the flying then that automatically entitles him to priority in a Republic jumpseat.
On one end they claim priority because of the business relationship and out the other end tell us to be content with the OAL scraps. AAG pilots are entitled to special treatment just because they say so
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On one end they claim priority because of the business relationship and out the other end tell us to be content with the OAL scraps. AAG pilots are entitled to special treatment just because they say so
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05-20-2021, 04:00 PM
#599
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05-20-2021, 04:02 PM
#600
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You don’t have the frame of reference to understand I guess. Let me boil it down to the following.
There are times when a Rah airplane operates as an American Airlines flight (my employer).
There’s never a time that an AA airplane operates a Republic Airlines flight (your employer).
There are times when a Rah airplane operates as an American Airlines flight (my employer).
There’s never a time that an AA airplane operates a Republic Airlines flight (your employer).
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