vessbot

I'm sure you can see why this would be untenable. You're asking for priority above United and Delta on flights branded for them, without anything equal going the other way. Simply you win, they lose, 100% of the time. Nice. I know you're just being flippant and not proposing it seriously, and using it as a demonstration why option 1 (mutual priority) is equally untenable... But that's simply not so. The same reasoning doesn't apply the other way. Republic can have mutual priority with you the same as they have with U and D, where overall everybody is equal. You get priority on 1/3 of their flights (U and D getting the other 2/3) while they have access to all of yours but in practice only use priority on about 1/3 of yours (commuting on U and D the other 2/3 of the time).

I addressed this in post 563. (Except using half as the ratio and not a third. Speaking in broad generalities here.)

vessbot

So ludicrous and funny, that it's the system at the United and Delta networks, and "working" just fine there. ​​​​​​And some from your side have suggested that this has been a long-running oversight there which has only survived because no one important has noticed. This is just silly.

See my reply above to El Peso for more detail.

Now you still have the ability to not like mutual priority (option 1) and that's your right. But as that only leaves mutual OAL (option 2), what then is your grounds for complaint over it?

El Peso

You got that part right. True reciprocity is untenable. Now tell that to your Rah buddies who continue to tell us to look up the meaning in the dictionary. What you’re actually asking of us is to bend a lot to satisfy your request. We get priority on whatever number of Rah planes that are operating on Eagle, and you get priority on every single AA airplane. Well you’re being told no. You don’t have enough to offer for what you want in exchange. And I couldn’t care less what alpa over at delta and united agreed to. Shoot, they can put you ahead of their own pilots if they want. Makes no difference to us.

sanicom3205

Im laughing at the fact that you think your usage has any bearing on the agreement. No one cares how much you use it, they care what the agreement is.

Here it is again, you can’t hide from it. That sh!t is funny

vessbot

So what is the agreement? I've asked this a few times as an honest question, with no answer. Does it specify the priorities going either or both ways?

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Here it is again, you can’t hide from it. That sh!t is funny

What made it look like I'm trying to hide from it?

vessbot

This might be more believable, if it wasn't already in place and ticking beautifully at the other airlines (under the interpretation that the partial usage by the regional pilots, offsets the partial availability of branded regional flights.)

Offering mutual priority on one third of flights in exchange for the same, (same as what's in place at the rest of the industry) does not seem like too much to ask, to me. But it's still your prerogative to decide that it is. But if you reject option 1 (mutual priority) then I'm asking you the same thing I asked Sanicom, what's your grounds for complaint over option 2 (mutual OAL?)

El Peso

Just because it’s ticking along beautifully at delta and united doesn’t mean it’s reciprocal. They gave you a huge windfall, but that’s their prerogative. Now you think it’s just standard and normal way of doing business. It’s like that buddy you lend money to a bunch of times. Then the one time you tell him no, they look at you like you just did something wrong. Enjoy your windfall at delta and united, APA told you no.

vessbot

First, a reminder that I'm not a Republic pilot.

Second, a new question: How do you figure that United and Delta (companies or pilots) are losing, in any way, on that arrangement?

Third, a repeated question: if you reject mutual priority, what's your grounds for complaint over mutual OAL?

El Peso

1. Easy. A Rah pilot shows up to a delta airplane and gets priority. A delta pilot shows up to a Rah airplane (operating as United Express), and gets no such priority.

2. When you say mutual I believe you’re talking about just aa giving priority on 1/3 of our flights? How on earth would you even track that or separate it up? By airframe? By Airports? And just the idea that AA will have to try to code that into Decs stops the idea right in its tracks. That why I didn’t even bother to address that suggestion before.

Duchess

So what’s wrong with D6 on each other’s flights?