Jumpseat Battle Brewing
05-20-2021, 09:19 AM
#541
Eating A Gruben
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,065
I’ll tell you what. If the JS agreement clearly states the priority that the AA reservation system is using, I’ll join your side. If the term reciprocal in reciprocal agreement is only for binding purposes then it sounds a little redundant. I haven’t read the agreement so I don’t know the context of the term but neither do you.
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05-20-2021, 09:39 AM
#543
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 527
That your take on them treating you the same as you're treating them is "over a barrel" (yet you're fine with you having them over a barrel) is a pretty, uhm, breathtaking application of standards.
05-20-2021, 10:14 AM
#544
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2021
Posts: 97
I understand where some of you are coming from. I had a commuting experience where I was trying to get home after a trip and the flight was full. And I had already missed two Alaska/Horizon jumpseats and was on my third attempt on a Skywest Delta flight. Worst commuting day I'd experienced actually.
I exclusively flew Delta trips at my regional due to my base. Turns out a Horizon pilot listed for the JS before me and they got it. Don't know if that was done correctly or a mistake by the agent, but me missing out on a Delta flight when I exclusively flew Delta, to a Horizon pilot, seemed like a bunch of BS. So I get that.
But this whole thread is coming off like a spoiled kid throwing a fit for not getting their way. Because I'm not getting what I want I'm going to let OAL get the jumpseat ON AN AA FLIGHT instead of giving it to an AA pilot. Really? It's an AA flight!
As much as it sucks to miss out on a ride, especially when going home, you're not AA. It's not your plane, it's not your company, you are OAL. If Republic had a way to differentiate their pilots showing who, if any of you, fly exclusively, or at least on that trip, for AA then personally I think it would make sense to give some priority. But is that even possible with Republic?
This thread shows a lot of personal attacks, a lot of its not fair attitude, and even Chet saying he'd rather lose (or loose actually) American flying and his job then give in to a jumpseat issue to AA. There's a great attitude and display of judgment, maturity and decision making. And you're a professional pilot?
I don't recall ever meeting a Republic pilot, but when I do I know this thread and these statements will pop in my head. This is what you want to be known for? If you feel there is an injustice then handle it properly where results can be had. Bickering on an Internet forum gets you what exactly?
All that said, I've always appreciated a ride and happy to accommodate others in the JS.
I exclusively flew Delta trips at my regional due to my base. Turns out a Horizon pilot listed for the JS before me and they got it. Don't know if that was done correctly or a mistake by the agent, but me missing out on a Delta flight when I exclusively flew Delta, to a Horizon pilot, seemed like a bunch of BS. So I get that.
But this whole thread is coming off like a spoiled kid throwing a fit for not getting their way. Because I'm not getting what I want I'm going to let OAL get the jumpseat ON AN AA FLIGHT instead of giving it to an AA pilot. Really? It's an AA flight!
As much as it sucks to miss out on a ride, especially when going home, you're not AA. It's not your plane, it's not your company, you are OAL. If Republic had a way to differentiate their pilots showing who, if any of you, fly exclusively, or at least on that trip, for AA then personally I think it would make sense to give some priority. But is that even possible with Republic?
This thread shows a lot of personal attacks, a lot of its not fair attitude, and even Chet saying he'd rather lose (or loose actually) American flying and his job then give in to a jumpseat issue to AA. There's a great attitude and display of judgment, maturity and decision making. And you're a professional pilot?
I don't recall ever meeting a Republic pilot, but when I do I know this thread and these statements will pop in my head. This is what you want to be known for? If you feel there is an injustice then handle it properly where results can be had. Bickering on an Internet forum gets you what exactly?
All that said, I've always appreciated a ride and happy to accommodate others in the JS.
05-20-2021, 10:14 AM
#545
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
I can’t get to an airplane in flying without a gate agent. Those agents are going to continue to let people down the bridge according to AA software. You guys can turn anyone around that you want, but you think you’re going to go and get this info from a gate agent about who checked in first and apply the rules in your special little way, and that gate agent is just going to go along with it? Good luck with that
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05-20-2021, 10:22 AM
#546
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
I understand where some of you are coming from. I had a commuting experience where I was trying to get home after a trip and the flight was full. And I had already missed two Alaska/Horizon jumpseats and was on my third attempt on a Skywest Delta flight. Worst commuting day I'd experienced actually.
I exclusively flew Delta trips at my regional due to my base. Turns out a Horizon pilot listed for the JS before me and they got it. Don't know if that was done correctly or a mistake by the agent, but me missing out on a Delta flight when I exclusively flew Delta, to a Horizon pilot, seemed like a bunch of BS. So I get that.
But this whole thread is coming off like a spoiled kid throwing a fit for not getting their way. Because I'm not getting what I want I'm going to let OAL get the jumpseat ON AN AA FLIGHT instead of giving it to an AA pilot. Really? It's an AA flight!
As much as it sucks to miss out on a ride, especially when going home, you're not AA. It's not your plane, it's not your company, you are OAL. If Republic had a way to differentiate their pilots showing who, if any of you, fly exclusively, or at least on that trip, for AA then personally I think it would make sense to give some priority. But is that even possible with Republic?
This thread shows a lot of personal attacks, a lot of its not fair attitude, and even Chet saying he'd rather lose (or loose actually) American flying and his job then give in to a jumpseat issue to AA. There's a great attitude and display of judgment, maturity and decision making. And you're a professional pilot?
I don't recall ever meeting a Republic pilot, but when I do I know this thread and these statements will pop in my head. This is what you want to be known for? If you feel there is an injustice then handle it properly where results can be had. Bickering on an Internet forum gets you what exactly?
All that said, I've always appreciated a ride and happy to accommodate others in the JS.
I exclusively flew Delta trips at my regional due to my base. Turns out a Horizon pilot listed for the JS before me and they got it. Don't know if that was done correctly or a mistake by the agent, but me missing out on a Delta flight when I exclusively flew Delta, to a Horizon pilot, seemed like a bunch of BS. So I get that.
But this whole thread is coming off like a spoiled kid throwing a fit for not getting their way. Because I'm not getting what I want I'm going to let OAL get the jumpseat ON AN AA FLIGHT instead of giving it to an AA pilot. Really? It's an AA flight!
As much as it sucks to miss out on a ride, especially when going home, you're not AA. It's not your plane, it's not your company, you are OAL. If Republic had a way to differentiate their pilots showing who, if any of you, fly exclusively, or at least on that trip, for AA then personally I think it would make sense to give some priority. But is that even possible with Republic?
This thread shows a lot of personal attacks, a lot of its not fair attitude, and even Chet saying he'd rather lose (or loose actually) American flying and his job then give in to a jumpseat issue to AA. There's a great attitude and display of judgment, maturity and decision making. And you're a professional pilot?
I don't recall ever meeting a Republic pilot, but when I do I know this thread and these statements will pop in my head. This is what you want to be known for? If you feel there is an injustice then handle it properly where results can be had. Bickering on an Internet forum gets you what exactly?
All that said, I've always appreciated a ride and happy to accommodate others in the JS.
Perhaps you think what Republic is doing is harsh or not proper. Rest assured this is an issue our union has pursued for many years. It is APA that chose to lower the AAG pilots priority. We did not want that option at all. Republic and AA now have a truly reciprocal agreement. Let's be clear you are not being put behind OAL. You are grouped in with them. It's exactly the same treatment we get from you.
You are absolutely correct. AA is not our company. It is not our planes. We asked to go below every single AAG pilot but ahead of OAL. It's Industry Standard. Look up the agreements DL and UA have with their WO / preferred regionals and non wholly owned / non preferred regionals. We are not asking for the moon.
Now that we established that AA is not our company, while you will continue to have priority with your D1 and D2 for seats in the back, you cannot seriously argue you should continue to receive priority for the JS when we don't get the same?
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05-20-2021, 10:24 AM
#547
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
These guys keep using the word reciprocal and they don’t even seem to understand what it means. They have their own little tight definition of the word that fits their exact objective.
Again you guys want priority on 100% of AA flights, correct? But in return you’re offering AA pilots priority on about 50% of your flights, correct? The other 50% or so are earmarked for Delta and United pilots. Then in one breath they’ll say “well that’s a Delta branded flight, we don’t control that”. And in the next breath they’ll say “It doesn’t matter that it’s American Eagle, its a Republic flight and the Captain owns the Jumpseat”. You clearly understand that is not reciprocal but a huge windfall for you. Stop saying reciprocal because you either don’t understand the meaning of the word, or are intentionally using it incorrectly to try to further your cause. I think I know which one it is.
Again you guys want priority on 100% of AA flights, correct? But in return you’re offering AA pilots priority on about 50% of your flights, correct? The other 50% or so are earmarked for Delta and United pilots. Then in one breath they’ll say “well that’s a Delta branded flight, we don’t control that”. And in the next breath they’ll say “It doesn’t matter that it’s American Eagle, its a Republic flight and the Captain owns the Jumpseat”. You clearly understand that is not reciprocal but a huge windfall for you. Stop saying reciprocal because you either don’t understand the meaning of the word, or are intentionally using it incorrectly to try to further your cause. I think I know which one it is.
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05-20-2021, 10:29 AM
#548
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 175
I can’t get to an airplane in flying without a gate agent. Those agents are going to continue to let people down the bridge according to AA software. You guys can turn anyone around that you want, but you think you’re going to go and get this info from a gate agent about who checked in first and apply the rules in your special little way, and that gate agent is just going to go along with it? Good luck with that
I’m sure there will be hiccups at the beginning which probably means more gate monitoring for RAH pilots. Maybe our Union will make an app to alert pilots when Jumpseaters are at the gate so we can ensure proper priority takes place, that way we can get OAL people like you on. We’re still waiting on guidance on what to do.
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05-20-2021, 10:30 AM
#549
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05-20-2021, 10:44 AM
#550
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Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 54
I understand where some of you are coming from. I had a commuting experience where I was trying to get home after a trip and the flight was full. And I had already missed two Alaska/Horizon jumpseats and was on my third attempt on a Skywest Delta flight. Worst commuting day I'd experienced actually.
I exclusively flew Delta trips at my regional due to my base. Turns out a Horizon pilot listed for the JS before me and they got it. Don't know if that was done correctly or a mistake by the agent, but me missing out on a Delta flight when I exclusively flew Delta, to a Horizon pilot, seemed like a bunch of BS. So I get that.
But this whole thread is coming off like a spoiled kid throwing a fit for not getting their way. Because I'm not getting what I want I'm going to let OAL get the jumpseat ON AN AA FLIGHT instead of giving it to an AA pilot. Really? It's an AA flight!
As much as it sucks to miss out on a ride, especially when going home, you're not AA. It's not your plane, it's not your company, you are OAL. If Republic had a way to differentiate their pilots showing who, if any of you, fly exclusively, or at least on that trip, for AA then personally I think it would make sense to give some priority. But is that even possible with Republic?
This thread shows a lot of personal attacks, a lot of its not fair attitude, and even Chet saying he'd rather lose (or loose actually) American flying and his job then give in to a jumpseat issue to AA. There's a great attitude and display of judgment, maturity and decision making. And you're a professional pilot?
I don't recall ever meeting a Republic pilot, but when I do I know this thread and these statements will pop in my head. This is what you want to be known for? If you feel there is an injustice then handle it properly where results can be had. Bickering on an Internet forum gets you what exactly?
All that said, I've always appreciated a ride and happy to accommodate others in the JS.
I exclusively flew Delta trips at my regional due to my base. Turns out a Horizon pilot listed for the JS before me and they got it. Don't know if that was done correctly or a mistake by the agent, but me missing out on a Delta flight when I exclusively flew Delta, to a Horizon pilot, seemed like a bunch of BS. So I get that.
But this whole thread is coming off like a spoiled kid throwing a fit for not getting their way. Because I'm not getting what I want I'm going to let OAL get the jumpseat ON AN AA FLIGHT instead of giving it to an AA pilot. Really? It's an AA flight!
As much as it sucks to miss out on a ride, especially when going home, you're not AA. It's not your plane, it's not your company, you are OAL. If Republic had a way to differentiate their pilots showing who, if any of you, fly exclusively, or at least on that trip, for AA then personally I think it would make sense to give some priority. But is that even possible with Republic?
This thread shows a lot of personal attacks, a lot of its not fair attitude, and even Chet saying he'd rather lose (or loose actually) American flying and his job then give in to a jumpseat issue to AA. There's a great attitude and display of judgment, maturity and decision making. And you're a professional pilot?
I don't recall ever meeting a Republic pilot, but when I do I know this thread and these statements will pop in my head. This is what you want to be known for? If you feel there is an injustice then handle it properly where results can be had. Bickering on an Internet forum gets you what exactly?
All that said, I've always appreciated a ride and happy to accommodate others in the JS.
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