Jumpseat Battle Brewing
05-07-2021, 06:47 AM
#411
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 448
Actually no. They ARE NOT offline because it’s an AA branded airplane. They should be offline and they are offline on Republic United and Delta branded flights. If AA was flying a republic branded airplane then republic wouldn’t be offline there.
I am Mesa so I suffer the same issues jumpseating on AA metal. But I completely understand it now and I agree with the status quo.
I am Mesa so I suffer the same issues jumpseating on AA metal. But I completely understand it now and I agree with the status quo.
05-07-2021, 06:50 AM
#412
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 448
By your rational, the food service guy a SkyChef could say he gets his salary paid by AA too.
You are OAL like everybody else.
Stop trying to get priority you shouldn't have, in fact, the real issue here should be the APA reaching out to UA/DLALPA that they aren't treating OAL AA pilots fairly since you (RAH an OAL) are getting priority over other OAL's.
Own Metal
Own Company (parent, siblings, subsidiaries)
OAL
That's how it's supposed to work.
All regionals are not the same, this is one of the differences.
The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit. Who an OAL pilot works for is irrelevant. For the jumpseat you're either on your own metal, own company, or are OAL.
You are OAL like everybody else.
Stop trying to get priority you shouldn't have, in fact, the real issue here should be the APA reaching out to UA/DLALPA that they aren't treating OAL AA pilots fairly since you (RAH an OAL) are getting priority over other OAL's.
Own Metal
Own Company (parent, siblings, subsidiaries)
OAL
That's how it's supposed to work.
All regionals are not the same, this is one of the differences.
The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit. Who an OAL pilot works for is irrelevant. For the jumpseat you're either on your own metal, own company, or are OAL.
why did you ignore my question on you giving up on flow? What was wrong with the American brand that made you leave? Or was it not your decision?
05-07-2021, 10:09 AM
#414
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 448
05-07-2021, 11:30 AM
#415
The Fallen Cherub
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: Wings & Prayer
Posts: 143
I get that now. I think industry standard for republic/SkyWest/other AA contract carriers to have priority is fair. I don’t see us being moved down in any priority for giving them what DL/UAL is already giving them. If that’s our fear, have an agreement that becomes void if that happens.
RAH flys what, 60 76 seaters for AA doing at most 300 flights a day.
AA runs 980+ planes on 5,000+ flights a day.
RAH is lucky they aren’t a limited OAL.
My prediction is What’s going to happen here is DALPA and UALPA will change theirs to treat all OAL the same like AA does.
The old saying of “quit while you’re ahead” really will have meaning for RAH guys after this.
05-07-2021, 11:59 AM
#416
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 448
Then why aren’t B6 and AK getting priority? They’re carrying AA passengers.
RAH flys what, 60 76 seaters for AA doing at most 300 flights a day.
AA runs 980+ planes on 5,000+ flights a day.
RAH is lucky they aren’t a limited OAL.
My prediction is What’s going to happen here is DALPA and UALPA will change theirs to treat all OAL the same like AA does.
The old saying of “quit while you’re ahead” really will have meaning for RAH guys after this.
RAH flys what, 60 76 seaters for AA doing at most 300 flights a day.
AA runs 980+ planes on 5,000+ flights a day.
RAH is lucky they aren’t a limited OAL.
My prediction is What’s going to happen here is DALPA and UALPA will change theirs to treat all OAL the same like AA does.
The old saying of “quit while you’re ahead” really will have meaning for RAH guys after this.
05-08-2021, 04:33 AM
#418
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
Posts: 3,255
Putting you ahead of other OAL's will violate the reciprocal agreements. In fact, it should not be happening at DL & UA either.
What is so hard to understand about:
Own metal
Own company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
OAL
You're advocating for:
Own Metal
Own Company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
Commercial Interest
OAL
Now, does that new step include Mesa, Skywest, and anybody else carrying AA passengers? Is it limited to only CPA carriers, or do codeshare commercial interest get it too? No, why not? What about when the CPA contracts change/aren't renewed? Are you going to pay the ridiculous money for the sabre computer programming?
Is this "new priority step" violating the JS agreements with every other pilot group by placing one OAL above another OAL for business interests which aren't supposed to be in the JS to begin with? That wasn't what the other pilot groups agreed to, so do all JS agreements now need to be redone to accommodate RAH and a commercial interest priority step?
Look.... The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit, not a business interest benefit and not a commercial interest benefit. It is purely a pilot benefit under the control of the Captain.
Who an OAL pilot flys for, or whose passengers they carry this week, month, year, is irrelevant. OAL is OAL.
05-08-2021, 07:30 AM
#419
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 342
The point he was making was valid. Carrying AA passengers isn't a consideration in the JS. Not if you do it under a CPA or if you do it under a codeshare. Either way you are not an AAG employee, that makes you OAL. It's that simple.
Putting you ahead of other OAL's will violate the reciprocal agreements. In fact, it should not be happening at DL & UA either.
What is so hard to understand about:
Own metal
Own company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
OAL
You're advocating for:
Own Metal
Own Company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
Commercial Interest
OAL
Now, does that new step include Mesa, Skywest, and anybody else carrying AA passengers? Is it limited to only CPA carriers, or do codeshare commercial interest get it too? No, why not? What about when the CPA contracts change/aren't renewed? Are you going to pay the ridiculous money for the sabre computer programming?
Is this "new priority step" violating the JS agreements with every other pilot group by placing one OAL above another OAL for business interests which aren't supposed to be in the JS to begin with? That wasn't what the other pilot groups agreed to, so do all JS agreements now need to be redone to accommodate RAH and a commercial interest priority step?
Look.... The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit, not a business interest benefit and not a commercial interest benefit. It is purely a pilot benefit under the control of the Captain.
Who an OAL pilot flys for, or whose passengers they carry this week, month, year, is irrelevant. OAL is OAL.
Putting you ahead of other OAL's will violate the reciprocal agreements. In fact, it should not be happening at DL & UA either.
What is so hard to understand about:
Own metal
Own company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
OAL
You're advocating for:
Own Metal
Own Company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
Commercial Interest
OAL
Now, does that new step include Mesa, Skywest, and anybody else carrying AA passengers? Is it limited to only CPA carriers, or do codeshare commercial interest get it too? No, why not? What about when the CPA contracts change/aren't renewed? Are you going to pay the ridiculous money for the sabre computer programming?
Is this "new priority step" violating the JS agreements with every other pilot group by placing one OAL above another OAL for business interests which aren't supposed to be in the JS to begin with? That wasn't what the other pilot groups agreed to, so do all JS agreements now need to be redone to accommodate RAH and a commercial interest priority step?
Look.... The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit, not a business interest benefit and not a commercial interest benefit. It is purely a pilot benefit under the control of the Captain.
Who an OAL pilot flys for, or whose passengers they carry this week, month, year, is irrelevant. OAL is OAL.
05-08-2021, 08:07 AM
#420
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 193
The point he was making was valid. Carrying AA passengers isn't a consideration in the JS. Not if you do it under a CPA or if you do it under a codeshare. Either way you are not an AAG employee, that makes you OAL. It's that simple.
Putting you ahead of other OAL's will violate the reciprocal agreements. In fact, it should not be happening at DL & UA either.
What is so hard to understand about:
Own metal
Own company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
OAL
You're advocating for:
Own Metal
Own Company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
Commercial Interest
OAL
Now, does that new step include Mesa, Skywest, and anybody else carrying AA passengers? Is it limited to only CPA carriers, or do codeshare commercial interest get it too? No, why not? What about when the CPA contracts change/aren't renewed? Are you going to pay the ridiculous money for the sabre computer programming?
Is this "new priority step" violating the JS agreements with every other pilot group by placing one OAL above another OAL for business interests which aren't supposed to be in the JS to begin with? That wasn't what the other pilot groups agreed to, so do all JS agreements now need to be redone to accommodate RAH and a commercial interest priority step?
Look.... The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit, not a business interest benefit and not a commercial interest benefit. It is purely a pilot benefit under the control of the Captain.
Who an OAL pilot flys for, or whose passengers they carry this week, month, year, is irrelevant. OAL is OAL.
Putting you ahead of other OAL's will violate the reciprocal agreements. In fact, it should not be happening at DL & UA either.
What is so hard to understand about:
Own metal
Own company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
OAL
You're advocating for:
Own Metal
Own Company (parent, sisters, subsidiaries)
Commercial Interest
OAL
Now, does that new step include Mesa, Skywest, and anybody else carrying AA passengers? Is it limited to only CPA carriers, or do codeshare commercial interest get it too? No, why not? What about when the CPA contracts change/aren't renewed? Are you going to pay the ridiculous money for the sabre computer programming?
Is this "new priority step" violating the JS agreements with every other pilot group by placing one OAL above another OAL for business interests which aren't supposed to be in the JS to begin with? That wasn't what the other pilot groups agreed to, so do all JS agreements now need to be redone to accommodate RAH and a commercial interest priority step?
Look.... The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit, not a business interest benefit and not a commercial interest benefit. It is purely a pilot benefit under the control of the Captain.
Who an OAL pilot flys for, or whose passengers they carry this week, month, year, is irrelevant. OAL is OAL.
Under this logic AA, Envoy, PSA and Piedmont are OAL on Republic, Mesa and Skywest aircraft regardless of the paint on the aircraft. Does that sound about right?
And if so why have AA + wholly owned been getting priority above jetBlue, Southwest, Spirit, etc on Republic, Mesa and Skywest aircraft?
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