sanicom3205

So a RAH pilot should get priority over OAL on Delta, United, And American even though they generally fly most of their flights for one of those carriers? Thats not right. Choose one and I would agree that would be fair.

Any pilot advocating a jumpseat war despite an agreement signed by both unions is in the wrong, sorry rick. Work it out like honorable people. The path that you laid out doesn't end anywhere good for anyone.

mrfishy

If you actually cared about AS or B6 pilots jumpseat priority, they would have priority over Southwest, Spirit, or Frontier since they fly your passengers.

You’re making an argument in bad faith.

sanicom3205

No, if I really cared about their jumpseat priority I would have been talking about it before this.

There’s a proposed change to the system that effects them. No change, no effect...I don’t bring it up. Change, effect.... I bring it up. It’s pertinent information since “we carry your passengers” is central to the republic argument behind this change they’re attempting to force.

rickair7777

It's not any major pilot's business what arrangement regional pilots may have with other majors, not our place to ensure that they absolutely never get a good deal by virtue of being flow-less subcontractors who fly for multiple brands.

I don't know the history there. It's obviously a bad deal, so one would suspect there was a back-room deal, or coercion, and the end result was not in the RAH pilot's best interests. I'm open to an explanation though.

Also what was the "term" of that agreement? 3 years? 5 years? 20 Years? I'm being rhetorical, most likely it has no term and is therefore subject to re-negotiation at any time... unless it has language making it binding for all eternity.

DocMcFly

Since we are having this discussion in two threads at the same time I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you missed my post and will place it here:

A trip pairing would be carrier specific. However, I’ve flown for all 3 codeshares on 3 trips in the span of 3 weeks. This is routinely done. No pilot at Republic flies “most of their flights for one carrier.” If you read our forums, Republic likes to play games with line and reserve assignments. They will have ORD at 50% reserves and DH the massively overstaffed LGA based pilots to cover the flying. So while an LGA based pilot might normally fly AA and DL, now we’ve added UA into the mix by either covering lines or their other favorite scheme- out of base reserves.

I’m starting to think this all boils down to petty jealousy. Yes it’s abnormal for a regional to fly for 3 codeshares but here we are! The industry standard is for priority above OAL. O.A.L. We support ALL 3 companies. OAL pilots do not. And while it’s not a massive amount of information we are expected to keep the FOM differences in the forefront of our minds especially when flying the different codeshares from one trip to another as frequently as I said. It’s not a freebie perk as it really seems a lot of you all think. We earn that freakin priority sir. Who made you judge of what’s “fair”?

sanicom3205

Your experience is vastly different than my friends who fly for you guys in Philly, I’ll leave it at that.

”We earn that priority” “who made you the judge”

You don’t earn anything that no one doesn’t want to give you. The js is the captains seat, and sitting in it is a privilege bestowed by that captain. Really crappy attitude to have about a js regardless of the argument here.

The judges of American jumpseats are American pilots - in this case that’s collectively APA. I’m speaking for myself here, but the “judgement” as to what is fair as it relates to our jumpseat was made very clear by the union.

You can’t argue that we don’t get to be the judge of our jumpseats, while also threatening to change our priority on your jumpseats. I don’t agree with your assessment but even you have to see how’s it’s logically inconsistent.

We’re all jealous of republic eh?

DocMcFly

When I said “we earned it” I meant within the context of saying we aren’t asking for industry standard reciprocity for no reason. We support AA. We do the work, we are asking for the benefit of that work. I totally agree it’s the Captains jumpseat.

Based on our union’s communication to our pilot group: APA has chosen to not engage in the discussion. Not even engage. Not even a “No.” but silence as if we don’t exist- so what does that say about your pilot group, if they “collectively represent” you?

So if you are AA, tell me what your issue is with giving us industry standard reciprocity other than “it’s not fair because we fly for 3 codeshares”? That sounds like jealousy. If you choose to answer me please don’t reference letter Q. It’s not going to be hard for IBT to show they’ve attempted to discuss this with APA for years. So APA’s credibility is pretty shot on this IMHO.

I’m not sure making any threats is the right way to go- but since we both agree that our jumpseats belong to each of us then what’s your problem with us treating you like you treat us?

NuGuy

My guess is poking the bear will be less than successful.

DocMcFly

To which bear are you referring to? AA management and their IT dept are fine with this. They actually reached out to us to get the ball rolling again. It’s APA that has the problem.

Personally this is exactly the reason I chose Republic. I’m not beholden to ANY bear. And I’ll still get hired by either a legacy or LCC when I’m ready to apply. Think outside the box people. Don’t drink anyone’s kool-aid.

sanicom3205

They did answer you - last year when you guys went around making a stink for the second time in six years, denying pilots from AAG and UAL the jumpseat in multiple recorded instances. There is plenty of history here, and I know your union didn't tell people to do that but I read plenty of people here vocally supporting that behavior. That history matters and is the context for this situation being stirred up. This isn't happening in a vacuum