Longhornmaniac8

I mean hey, if the shoe fits... The arguments being presented here are rife with logical fallacies.

But let me ask you, since you seem to have such clairvoyance about the future: what exactly is AAG/APA going to do about this situation when we change our FOM? Are you going to start denying Republic pilots the jumpseat? And cede that moral high ground you (think you) have? Lower us below offline jumpseaters? What?

If you think AA management cares enough about this situation to sabotage their business by ushering Republic to the side, then I guess we're just operating on two different wavelengths with respect to the relationship between AA and the APA. Lest we forget AA management was on Republic's side with this (because they see the harm the status quo can cause their operation) until the APA decided to burn through their political capital to oppose this. I think you're sorely mistaken if you think AA management (or even the higher ups in the APA) are invested in this to the degree you and a few others are.

And since you continue to misrepresent our position: in no way, shape, or form does this remotely mirror the United situation beyond the simple fact Republic is involved. There are no jumpseat denials being threatened here. Except, implicitly, by a few of the militant ones on the AAG side. You'll notice every single thing published by our Local includes the notion all AAG pilots will continue to be welcomed on Republic jumpseats, regardless of the outcome. The goalposts keep moving as it becomes more and more clear that Republic has sought this change through the appropriate channels and with due consideration for the AAG pilots. You can say what you want about the United situation, and frankly I'd probably agree with a lot of it, but any comparisons to the two situations are reflective of an implicit bias (however deserved it may or may not be) and not the facts.

Let me add, lest my words get misconstrued even more, that on a personal level I think denying the jumpseat to anyone, including the United situation in 2019, is wrong. Period. It punishes the wrong people. That said, there is more nuance in that situation than you're representing here, and I suspect you're missing a fair few of the relevant facts about what led to it. Again, if you want to discuss that further, I'm happy to.




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greatmovieistar

"strawman" lol sure. I'll take this as capitulation on your part.

sanicom3205

Please accept my sincerest apologies for missing the space bar. You really did pay attention in AP English didn’t ya? Yeesh!

Take it however you want man.

Longhorn, I bring up the United fiasco not to compare it to this situation, but to remind you guys of the history here. It’s the lens through which we view republic starting yet another jumpseat battle. You’re right, it’s different. But at the same time, it’s very similar. Using the jumpseat as a weapon to achieve your goals. Unfortunately, that’s the first thing that comes to mind for me when I hear someone say republic, and I suspect that applies to many.

Longhornmaniac8

I understand the history involved, and I don't think it's entirely undeserved. I'd argue it's probably a touch overstated, but it's not like pilots are know for their restraint or anything lol.

With that said, I'm sure you'd agree it's fairly reductionist to just look at those making the claim and not their actual claim. For the record I'm not accusing you of doing that, just speaking generally.

I don't think we're using the jumpseat as a weapon, and I think that's the biggest issue I have with your take. Everything else notwithstanding, and irrespective of what precisely constitutes reciprocal, the existing agreement I feel we can agree is not equal. If the roles were reversed, you'd feel the same way we do and seek to create an agreement that has parity.

And we've pursued as a primary goal the option that doesn't affect the AAG pilots. I just genuinely don't know what you expect us to do if y'all won't go for that. There wasn't even any back-and-forth or attempting to compromise, we just received firm opposition from the outset. Are we just supposed to keep accepting something that is fundamentally not fair to us? Would you? Among all the other things regionals get the short end of, one of the few things we can control is our jumpseat. And we're just supposed to bend over and take an unequal agreement because...why? Because making it equal would upset the APA?

Perhaps y'all should have thought about that before vehemently opposing it. Seeking to right a wrong is not remotely weaponizing anything, especially when we provided an option that literally does not change the status quo for you. That's the very definition of victim-blaming.



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captive apple

[MENTION=93243]sanicom3205[/MENTION]
What historically happened with United?

LabDad06

Is it equal if AA pilots get priority on half of Republic's flights but Republic pilots get priority on ALL AA flights?

Life isn't fair.

Bend over and take it? I had no idea things were so bad there.

Republic pilots are victims? Not equal, not fair, bending over, unequal treatment, victim blaming. I have no dog in this fight at all, but this stuff is comedy and belongs on a daytime soap opera.

Please, continue the show

Al Czervik

If a AA and SWA pilot show up for a UAL republic flight who gets the Jumpseat?

Longhornmaniac8

Ah, so you're in the "shut up and take it camp." Got it.

God forbid someone try and take control of their situation and improve it. What a weird, defeatist mentality.

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LabDad06

I'm in the "I can't believe so many pilots are such whiners" camp, to include regionals and mainline. Spend some time in the military then go 121 and appreciate how nice it is and how good you have it, even at a regional.

Longhornmaniac8

Not my first career. I'm well aware of how good I have it. I'm quite happy, thanks.

Doesn't mean I'm not going to stand up for what's right and try to improve things.

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