Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8

As you have said previously, there's no such thing a perfectly reciprocal when you're dealing with entities different in size. That isn't what reciprocal means, and you know that. The spirit of reciprocity should be to get it as close to even as possible.

To the best of my knowledge, the APA has never even approached Republic or the Jumpseat Committee asking for priority on all our flights. On a purely personal level, I'd be ok with that.

As it stands, we offer AAG pilots a priority bump on close to 50% of our flights. Meanwhile, AA doesn't offer jumpseats internationally, so that takes away, what, 30ish percent of your daily departures (in the before times) that Republic guys can't jumpseat on? I'll readily concede that 50%/=70%, but it's a hell of a lot closer to equal than 50% is to 0%.

But here's the thing, all your name calling/misrepresenting the position of Republic pilots doesn't take away from the notion that at the end of the day the position of the guys on here vehemently against this change is rooted in selfishness rather than cooperation and camaraderie. "We don't get XYZ, so why should you, even though this doesn't affect us, directly or indirectly." Any one of us at Republic would gladly trade our position with yours. This isn't remotely about thinking we're better than anyone, on the contrary. We're trying to make our jobs suck a little less, especially because we are considerably more dependent on the jumpseat than anyone at AAG, owing to our lower priority (which is fair, just low).

Again, this change has zero impact to ALL AAG pilots. Republic pilots have been on record all over the place that we vastly preferred option 1, which (rightly) retained your priority on our jumpseats. Literally the only thing AA pilots have to do is acknowledge that Republic pilots contribute more to the AA system than a Spirit guy, and you seem unwilling to do that for some reason. It's a truly bizarre hill to die on.

The comments about fencing are equally bizarre. All pilots at Republic contribute to the overall operational integrity of both Republic and therefore the American networks. If a pilot commuting to work a Delta trip misses out on an AA jumpseat, and we have to staff that trip with a reserve, it's one fewer reserve we have to use for an American trip.

All this posturing about fairness and misusing of reciprocity and conflating of cabin seats and jumpseats and this is what it boils down to. AA/AAG/APA have had two options. Either help their colleagues at a partner airline that contributes (substantially) to their operation, or shoot themselves in the foot. This isn't coercion or blackmail. Republic pilots have been getting the short end of the stick for quite a while now, while AA has been the beneficiary, and we are entirely within our right to treat AA folks the same way we are currently treated. And when we deign to treat y'all the way we've been treated this whole time its [surprisedPikachuface.jpg].

C'mon man.

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Originally Posted by Cujo665

you are not an AAG employee. You are OAL. It’s that simple.
why so hard to understand?
you are no different than Skywest, Southwest, Atlas or any other non AAG.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

you are not an AAG employee. You are OAL. It’s that simple.
why so hard to understand?
you are no different than Skywest, Southwest, Atlas or any other non AAG.

Own metal
Same company (parent, subsidiary, sisters)
OAL

The JS is a pilot benefit, not a company benefit. Who an OAL pilot works for is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by greatmovieistar

Not OAL, non-exclusive. Same as Skywest but different from Southwest or Atlas. I'm guessing here but I assume somewhere near 50% of my salary is paid by AA. What do they pay Southwest or Atlas pilots?

Non related question, why did you give up on flow?

Originally Posted by greatmovieistar

What a well thought out response to longhorn's post. Your continued misrepresentation of the United issue has already been debunked. Give it up, you and El Paso are getting killed here.

Originally Posted by Dobbs18

just because you keep saying non-exclusive over and over doesn’t mean it’s a term AA/APA is going to magically except. My understanding is that is a term defined/invented(airline purposes anyways) and used by UAL. Probably because they don’t have any wholly owned regionals. I have never heard that termed used in an airline/regional conversation until you started throwing it up all over here. We have 3 wholly owned regionals at AA, everyone one else is considered OAL, there is no non-exclusive tier at AA...and you just admitted AA “pays” 50%ish of your salary, and you want to bite the hand that feeds you? So let’s play this out...Republic pilots Union makes the change they are talking about and let’s say a place like NYC were people from all airlines commute, has a flight from ABC airport to JFK/LGA operated by Republic under AA flag. No let’s say after a few months of not getting on the JS because Spirit and JetBlue pilots beat them to it the pilot reports to chief pilot and APA what’s going on. And if it gets bad enough the company is alerted to it, do you honestly think the company is going to pick a fight with APA and it’s 14,000 pilots or is it more likely going to go to Republic whom they write checks to and say stop it? I mean that’s the end game y’all are thinking is going to change this right?

Originally Posted by sanicom3205

You can convince yourselves that the whole United fiasco doesn’t paint you guys in poor light. But every other carrier in the US laughs at you guys and your tactics. Whatever makes you feel good. To be considering doing it a second time, I guess you have to delude yourselves into thinking you’ve been fighting the good fight the whole time.

We’re entering this partnership with JetBlue. So on AA metal but a B6 codeshare flight, you guys want to show up last minute and beat out a JetBlue pilot for the jumpseat? We won’t allow our future coworkers to be treated that way

Originally Posted by greatmovieistar

It's fun to make up conjecture then post it like it is actually a thing. Still haven't answered Longhorn's post.

Originally Posted by greatmovieistar

Bite the hand that feeds me? AA fully supports RPA's proposal. They pay part of my salary, the pilots who work there do not. As far as the rest of your post, that's a cool story.

Originally Posted by Dobbs18

fair enough on the pay part. Good luck, I am not posting about this anymore.