Jumpseat Battle Brewing
#221
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No it won't make sense to them. They are stuck in their thought process and cant see the 3 dimensions of the fight they started.
rah pilots want 100 percent seniority to be above others. Yes on their own metal, but they want a higher priority for js above others as oal. Never going to happen. Why, because republic is other air line pilot. There companies cpa gives them no special treatment. AAG has 2 choices put its foot down or watch the battle blow up in its face.
either way no one gives a shi+ what rah pilots want.
They get paid for a job, do it or leave the industry.
Just an opinion.
Oh, the people that are bent out of shape is rah pilots, the others just point the fallacy to their thought process. They believe they are in Venezuela.
rah pilots want 100 percent seniority to be above others. Yes on their own metal, but they want a higher priority for js above others as oal. Never going to happen. Why, because republic is other air line pilot. There companies cpa gives them no special treatment. AAG has 2 choices put its foot down or watch the battle blow up in its face.
either way no one gives a shi+ what rah pilots want.
They get paid for a job, do it or leave the industry.
Just an opinion.
Oh, the people that are bent out of shape is rah pilots, the others just point the fallacy to their thought process. They believe they are in Venezuela.
#222
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I honestly think this is the part that we’re missing each other on. You’re not turned away for a Spirit or Delta pilot on RAH, but on AA. If you want to flip it then an AA guy would be denied on AA, operated by RAH. Do you see my point? It’s not apples to apples sorry. Every flight you operate as Eagle is an AA flight. That’s what you’re not getting. You get priority on your jumpseat of course because it is your metal, but in no case will a spirit/delta guy go ahead of me anywhere in the shell of that plane as long as it says AE on the side (unless they buy a ticket on aa.com). If you guys take it upon yourselves to change the FOM and start denying AA pilots any seat for an offline guy on that AA flight, expect retaliation. I hope that makes sense.
AAG pilots have priority for the JS on a YX AE branded flight. You don't want to give us an Industry Standard Reciprocal agreement and you chose option 2 which is to no longer give AAG pilots priority for the JS over OAL. AAG pilots are OAL for the JS just like YX pilots are OAL for the JS on AA and AAG metal. You still beat the DL and Spirit guy with your nonrev benefits. No one is denying AAG pilots. You are simply receiving the same priority offered to YX pilots. This is what you chose. We are D6 on each other for the JS. Welcome aboard.
By the way YX pilots prefer option 1 which is to still go below AAG pilots on AAG metal but simply ahead of OAL. I don't understand why AAG pilots preferred option 2 since option 2 only hurts AAG. YX pilots still continue to be D6 for the JS.
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#223
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I honestly think this is the part that we’re missing each other on. You’re not turned away for a Spirit or Delta pilot on RAH, but on AA. If you want to flip it then an AA guy would be denied on AA, operated by RAH. Do you see my point? It’s not apples to apples sorry. Every flight you operate as Eagle is an AA flight. That’s what you’re not getting. You get priority on your jumpseat of course because it is your metal, but in no case will a spirit/delta guy go ahead of me anywhere in the shell of that plane as long as it says AE on the side (unless they buy a ticket on aa.com). If you guys take it upon yourselves to change the FOM and start denying AA pilots any seat for an offline guy on that AA flight, expect retaliation. I hope that makes sense.
#224
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No it won't make sense to them. They are stuck in their thought process and cant see the 3 dimensions of the fight they started.
rah pilots want 100 percent seniority to be above others. Yes on their own metal, but they want a higher priority for js above others as oal. Never going to happen. Why, because republic is other air line pilot. There companies cpa gives them no special treatment. AAG has 2 choices put its foot down or watch the battle blow up in its face.
either way no one gives a shi+ what rah pilots want.
They get paid for a job, do it or leave the industry.
Just an opinion.
Oh, the people that are bent out of shape is rah pilots, the others just point the fallacy to their thought process. They believe they are in Venezuela.
rah pilots want 100 percent seniority to be above others. Yes on their own metal, but they want a higher priority for js above others as oal. Never going to happen. Why, because republic is other air line pilot. There companies cpa gives them no special treatment. AAG has 2 choices put its foot down or watch the battle blow up in its face.
either way no one gives a shi+ what rah pilots want.
They get paid for a job, do it or leave the industry.
Just an opinion.
Oh, the people that are bent out of shape is rah pilots, the others just point the fallacy to their thought process. They believe they are in Venezuela.
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#225
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yeah this makes total sense to me, and I like I said I did the regional thing for years, and I asked myself what if I said no to a Delta pilot on, for example on flight DL 5325 ATL-BNA in favor of a AA pilot? Yeah that wouldn’t go over well, and honestly it wouldn’t seem right to me because it’s a freaking DELTA flight with DELTA CONNECTION written in big letters on the side of the plane...I am sorry to keep saying it, but sorry Republic, you are just a OAL in my eyes and not on the level of our whole owned carriers. If you fix your system and can separate your AA flying pilots from the UAL and DL flying pilots then fine maybe it can be opened back up for discussion. You get priority on your flights, duh, but on all other AA branded flights you are an OAL carrier...that’s how it was for me at 9E if I was flying in MSP(NWA) but wanted to JS on DAL even though we had pilots in our airline and flying on behalf of Delta airlines at the time.
Our pilots also can and are routinely reassigned to work all 3 codeshares in one trip just by being on reserve or IROPS.
You feel status quo is fair? I just finished flying an AA trip and get bumped off an AAG JS by an OAL? Well that's fine you're entitled to your opinion. You want to pretend YX pilots don't contribute to AA's bottom line that's fine. It's called a Reciprocal Agreement. Please Google Reciprocal.
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#226
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Again the big break down in communication here is that Republic pilots are under the impression that they're operating RAH flights rather than the name that’s on the side. The starting point is way off, and I’ve never heard any other regional guy think this way before regardless of what major they’re operating for. Anyways we’re going to just let this thing shakes out I guess. Good luck.
#227
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Jumpseat Battle Brewing
Again the big break down in communication here is that Republic pilots are under the impression that they're operating RAH flights rather than the name that’s on the side. The starting point is way off, and I’ve never heard any other regional guy think this way before regardless of what major they’re operating for. Anyways we’re going to just let this thing shakes out I guess. Good luck.
No, we’re under the impression that we are another airline (OAL) and we control OUR Jumpseat priority. Ticket sales are not what holds the power in dictating JS priority. It‘s RAH’s Jumpseat, if APA wants to get better priority then maybe they should negotiate, otherwise we will be equal to each other in our own respective Jumpseat. Pretty simple.
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#228
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Again the big break down in communication here is that Republic pilots are under the impression that they're operating RAH flights rather than the name that’s on the side. The starting point is way off, and I’ve never heard any other regional guy think this way before regardless of what major they’re operating for. Anyways we’re going to just let this thing shakes out I guess. Good luck.
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#229
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No, we’re under the impression that we are another airline (OAL) and we control OUR Jumpseat priority. Ticket sales are not what holds the power in dictating JS priority. It‘s RAH’s Jumpseat, if APA wants to get better priority then maybe they should negotiate, otherwise we will be equal to each other in our own respective Jumpseat. Pretty simple.
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#230
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