Jumpseat Battle Brewing
06-02-2021, 08:45 AM
#1082
Weekend workaholic
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 669
Psssst. Little secret: The jumpseat belongs to the COMPANY, not the Captain. The captain is given final authority in allowing or refusing an individual to occupy the jumpseat, but it would be wise to have a pretty damn good reason beyond “because I didn’t feel like it”. In truth, nobody is gonna care 99 times out of 100… but if AAG starts canceling flight because a company that it’s got a contract with to provide a service starts affecting its OWN ability to do business, the poop will role down hill. You wanna catch it, giddy up. Word to the wise, don’t try and play the “safety” card to avoid accepting responsibility for a “benefits” issue. The simple solution for the company (AA or Republic) is a draconian change to jumpseat policy and NOBODY wants that.
And before the warriors start hammering replies, I’d say the same thing to an AA pilot who doesn’t like being crowded the in the cockpit or who is “retaliating” against a Republic pilot who shows up looking for a ride. The jumpseat is a pilot *benefit*. *PLEASE* don’t screw it up.
Interesting side note: Long time ago, one of our guys booted a Fed who showed up and started playing FAA tough guy… said he felt it WAS a safety issue. Fed tried to make a case with his superiors, evidently his behavior made it a case of career suicide.
And before the warriors start hammering replies, I’d say the same thing to an AA pilot who doesn’t like being crowded the in the cockpit or who is “retaliating” against a Republic pilot who shows up looking for a ride. The jumpseat is a pilot *benefit*. *PLEASE* don’t screw it up.
Interesting side note: Long time ago, one of our guys booted a Fed who showed up and started playing FAA tough guy… said he felt it WAS a safety issue. Fed tried to make a case with his superiors, evidently his behavior made it a case of career suicide.
06-02-2021, 09:30 AM
#1083
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2021
Posts: 34
What’s not helpful about it? He gave his opinion. I’m at Republic and it’s one I share. While I personally believe it would be nice and equitable for us to get a slight bump in priority in the end it’s not worth creating a fuss about. We exist because AA, DL, and UA do and we are flying for them. They can prioritize their jump seats as they like. And so can we but do we really want to? Guess we’ll find out soon how that works out.
As a mostly UA and DL commuter I’ll be ****ed at the Teamsters if their squabble costs me priority on those two carriers.
As a mostly UA and DL commuter I’ll be ****ed at the Teamsters if their squabble costs me priority on those two carriers.
06-02-2021, 01:21 PM
#1084
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 448
Psssst. Little secret: The jumpseat belongs to the COMPANY, not the Captain. The captain is given final authority in allowing or refusing an individual to occupy the jumpseat, but it would be wise to have a pretty damn good reason beyond “because I didn’t feel like it”. In truth, nobody is gonna care 99 times out of 100… but if AAG starts canceling flight because a company that it’s got a contract with to provide a service starts affecting its OWN ability to do business, the poop will role down hill. You wanna catch it, giddy up. Word to the wise, don’t try and play the “safety” card to avoid accepting responsibility for a “benefits” issue. The simple solution for the company (AA or Republic) is a draconian change to jumpseat policy and NOBODY wants that.
And before the warriors start hammering replies, I’d say the same thing to an AA pilot who doesn’t like being crowded the in the cockpit or who is “retaliating” against a Republic pilot who shows up looking for a ride. The jumpseat is a pilot *benefit*. *PLEASE* don’t screw it up.
Interesting side note: Long time ago, one of our guys booted a Fed who showed up and started playing FAA tough guy… said he felt it WAS a safety issue. Fed tried to make a case with his superiors, evidently his behavior made it a case of career suicide.
And before the warriors start hammering replies, I’d say the same thing to an AA pilot who doesn’t like being crowded the in the cockpit or who is “retaliating” against a Republic pilot who shows up looking for a ride. The jumpseat is a pilot *benefit*. *PLEASE* don’t screw it up.
Interesting side note: Long time ago, one of our guys booted a Fed who showed up and started playing FAA tough guy… said he felt it WAS a safety issue. Fed tried to make a case with his superiors, evidently his behavior made it a case of career suicide.
06-02-2021, 04:17 PM
#1086
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
Posts: 3,255
Wrong on every point
06-02-2021, 04:18 PM
#1087
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
06-02-2021, 04:20 PM
#1088
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,342
That’s the part some of these people don’t seem to get. It doesn’t matter what the order is in their FOM, AA gets to pick who gets to go ask for the seat according to AA policy. If a captain says no to that person, the process stops and the plane leaves with an empty jumpseat.
06-02-2021, 04:55 PM
#1089
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
That’s the part some of these people don’t seem to get. It doesn’t matter what the order is in their FOM, AA gets to pick who gets to go ask for the seat according to AA policy. If a captain says no to that person, the process stops and the plane leaves with an empty jumpseat.
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06-02-2021, 04:57 PM
#1090
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: HUD cripple.
Posts: 314
They are just an angry bunch. I mean wouldn't you be bitter too if you worked for an AAG? I mean the only ones to furlough, verge of bankruptcy, hitting light poles, FAA safety concerns, shall I go on? AA pilots also seem to be the most angriest over the radio too. They are always getting into fights with ATC and other aircraft.
Having said that, I've never heard one of our guys get into a fight with anyone on frequency.
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