777 & 787
12-19-2022, 08:12 PM
#51
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Not counting orders, widebodies as percent of fleet:
AA 13%
DL 17%
UN 25%
Orders (replacement + additional):
AA 25
DL 26
UN 100 (+100 options) (just placed)
Will AA & DL order more or will UN stay ahead? I do not know.
AA 13%
DL 17%
UN 25%
Orders (replacement + additional):
AA 25
DL 26
UN 100 (+100 options) (just placed)
Will AA & DL order more or will UN stay ahead? I do not know.
Last edited by TransWorld; 12-19-2022 at 08:34 PM.
12-20-2022, 07:22 AM
#52
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AA/DL are hiring for retirements for now and not growth. Worst case a recession hits and they chop from the head instead of the toe with retirements and early outs
12-20-2022, 07:42 AM
#53
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AA don't really do widebody. They're scared of it, and don't know how to manage that complexity. Management's direction has always been to be a glorified regional/national, as that culture comes from America West. AA will quickly give up international flying and code share "outsource" such flying away. If you want widebody, go to United.
But then they were taken over by US Air. US Air was a hodgepodge domestic/regional airline conglomeration that was scared of wide body international and never more than dipped their toes in it. And that brought us the "American" of today, which is AA in name only, like a little boy wearing his dad's old shoes.
12-20-2022, 07:47 AM
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Do you really wanna go to an airline that’s putting half its eggs in the international basket and hiring for United next rather than retirements? UA is gonna be massive and one downturn is gonna be detrimental to their pilot group
AA/DL are hiring for retirements for now and not growth. Worst case a recession hits and they chop from the head instead of the toe with retirements and early outs
AA/DL are hiring for retirements for now and not growth. Worst case a recession hits and they chop from the head instead of the toe with retirements and early outs
12-20-2022, 08:38 AM
#55
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AA don't really do widebody. They're scared of it, and don't know how to manage that complexity. Management's direction has always been to be a glorified regional/national, as that culture comes from America West. AA will quickly give up international flying and code share "outsource" such flying away. If you want widebody, go to United.
12-20-2022, 10:06 AM
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Do you really wanna go to an airline that’s putting half its eggs in the international basket and hiring for United next rather than retirements? UA is gonna be massive and one downturn is gonna be detrimental to their pilot group
AA/DL are hiring for retirements for now and not growth. Worst case a recession hits and they chop from the head instead of the toe with retirements and early outs
AA/DL are hiring for retirements for now and not growth. Worst case a recession hits and they chop from the head instead of the toe with retirements and early outs
12-20-2022, 10:12 AM
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Do you really wanna go to an airline that’s putting half its eggs in the international basket and hiring for United next rather than retirements? UA is gonna be massive and one downturn is gonna be detrimental to their pilot group
AA/DL are hiring for retirements for now and not growth. Worst case a recession hits and they chop from the head instead of the toe with retirements and early outs
AA/DL are hiring for retirements for now and not growth. Worst case a recession hits and they chop from the head instead of the toe with retirements and early outs
12-21-2022, 06:28 PM
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12-21-2022, 07:28 PM
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All of the airlines have hired 2,000+ pilots this year alone. The wave has crested for WB CA. Plus you assume Delta won’t grow their widebody fleet. The leadership at DA has stated that’s the only real area for meaningful growth in the future. In contrast, I suspect American will likely end up code-sharing away as much international as possible while retiring 777s and replacing them with the 787s on order.
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