Originally Posted by AAL24

SLI stuff. I'm not sure what's a better metric. For a significant portion of the seniority list (and the pilot in question) it's 20+ years to hold a WB line. For the third listers it was much faster. When someone asks how long to hold WB CA do we reference the AWA guys who had a much quicker path to WB CA or the LAA pilots who are years behind? It's hard to get a good reference with a seniority list that's a product of multiple mergers. More importantly today's numbers will be meaningless for new hires. The landscape will be much different in 10 years.

An interesting data point for potential new hires interested in ORD widebody flying is that it looks like we are down to one international destination out of Chicago (LHR). Every other trip flies through another base (PHX, MIA). It looks like AA has almost entirely ceded ORD International to UAL.

Originally Posted by AAL24

I wonder if that’s a viable long term business plan? Does UAL drop to one destination during Jan and Feb? Do they have just 6 destinations during peak season? How do we attract big corporate accounts when we disappear during shoulder and low seasons and just cherry pick traffic during peak? I’m sure Znotins has it under control but we sure seem to be tracking a different course than DAL and UAL.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars

it’s much more accurate to use the 9 year pilot vice the 21 year pilot next to them on the list when answering a question like that. No need to be intellectually dishonest, doesn’t help the person asking the question.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Thats the big question! The way this company is going I’m not sure if we have any viable plans to compete other than NB DOM.

Originally Posted by AAL24

I just looked up the individual and saw the hire date of 2001. Wasn’t trying to do anything nefarious. I get your point that 9 years is probably much more accurate.

On the flip side what do you use to gauge WB CA seniority? Do you use the LAA years of service or the much more favorable AWA number? It is difficult to give accurate answers when the seniority list is a culmination of multiple mergers.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

TWA guy. There are 9 year dudes senior to that guy.

Originally Posted by TransWorld

Just as a background reminder, many of the ex-TWA pilots had an offset on their seniority list of a decade +/-. So, a 15 year TWA pilot was on the seniority list next to a 5 year AA pilot. (Yes, some were more and some were less. But that gives you a ballpark feel.)

Also, the ex-TWA FA were a pure staple job. A 39 year TWA FA was junior to a 1 year AA FA.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Yup. Complete BS. Some of the biggest class acts I’ve flown with considering the turmoil they’ve had to deal
with.

Originally Posted by AAL24

I just looked up the individual and saw the hire date of 2001. Wasn’t trying to do anything nefarious. I get your point that 9 years is probably much more accurate.

On the flip side what do you use to gauge WB CA seniority? Do you use the LAA years of service or the much more favorable AWA number? It is difficult to give accurate answers when the seniority list is a culmination of multiple mergers.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars

I understand, hopefully I didn’t come across as a dick. I think like Al said, for now, it’s a bit nebulous. In 6 years (assuming a static model) it will be one number…about 15 years. It will then drop for a few years, stabilize and then climb back up to 20 to 30 years, once we have a bunch of young pilots holding it. Sweet spot will likely be 2018-2021hires will hold it quickest…pure guess on my part though. After the late 2022 hires hold it, the time to hold it will rise because we hired som many last year. All based on a static model and mental math, usual caveats apply…