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06-06-2019, 04:52 PM
#41
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You would think only own metal gets JS priority but any wholly owned pilot trumps any AA pilot on wholly owned flights. “Eagle” pilots are all lumped together.
I only got a seat bc at 10 prior someone hadn’t showed up.
06-06-2019, 05:54 PM
#42
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Envoy guy here. I just looked it up in our FM1 to be sure. AA, PSA, and Piedmont are the same level for us. Envoy is, of course higher. But PSA or Piedmont is not automatically higher in our manuals than AA and certainly are not grouped in with ‘us’. That said, gate agents do what gate agents do. You have to know the rules and speak up.
06-06-2019, 05:58 PM
#43
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Envoy guy here. I just looked it up in our FM1 to be sure. AA, PSA, and Piedmont are the same level for us. Envoy is, of course higher. But PSA or Piedmont is not automatically higher in our manuals than AA and certainly are not grouped in with ‘us’. That said, gate agents do what gate agents do. You have to know the rules and speak up.
Thanks for looking it up, but that’s not the case. I commute out of a city with only wholly-owned service, so i am intimately familiar with it.
Here’s the verbiage for wholly-owned eagle flights: “Cockpit Jumpseat priority is by FDJ AE pilots (includes all 3 wholly owned) then AA pilots based on priority list (standby list) position, then OAL pilots.”
06-06-2019, 06:06 PM
#44
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That's not even the worst part about our JS policy...on any other Eagle operated flight (not wholly owned) for example Republic, or Skywest, it's first come first serve, so a Delta or Mesa guy could get it over us. Total horse crap.
06-06-2019, 07:36 PM
#45
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Thanks for looking it up, but that’s not the case. I commute out of a city with only wholly-owned service, so i am intimately familiar with it.
Here’s the verbiage for wholly-owned eagle flights: “Cockpit Jumpseat priority is by FDJ AE pilots (includes all 3 wholly owned) then AA pilots based on priority list (standby list) position, then OAL pilots.”
Here’s the verbiage for wholly-owned eagle flights: “Cockpit Jumpseat priority is by FDJ AE pilots (includes all 3 wholly owned) then AA pilots based on priority list (standby list) position, then OAL pilots.”
06-06-2019, 07:39 PM
#46
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I commute on AA, own metal, and off-line Eagle metal all the time. That is not how it works. AA pilot gets priority on their own metal then PSA, PDT, and EVY pilots by time of check in. Same for PSA etc. A PSA pilot will get priority on their own metal then AA, PDT, and EVY pilots by time of check in...
What i posted is straight from the APA jumpseat committee. Obviously AA gets priority on their own metal. But any FDJ EAG goes ahead of FDJ AA regardless of time of check in on any wholly-owned eagle flight. That is a fact.
06-07-2019, 07:00 PM
#48
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Thanks for looking it up, but that’s not the case. I commute out of a city with only wholly-owned service, so i am intimately familiar with it.
Here’s the verbiage for wholly-owned eagle flights: “Cockpit Jumpseat priority is by FDJ AE pilots (includes all 3 wholly owned) then AA pilots based on priority list (standby list) position, then OAL pilots.”
Here’s the verbiage for wholly-owned eagle flights: “Cockpit Jumpseat priority is by FDJ AE pilots (includes all 3 wholly owned) then AA pilots based on priority list (standby list) position, then OAL pilots.”
However, it's up to us (pilots) to make sure jumpseat protocol is followed. The non-metal eagle guys really should be proactive about stepping aside if they know the seat should not belong to them. But if not and the gate agent is doing it incorrectly, do your best to talk to the captain. I am positive he will make sure that the appropriate jumpseat priority is used.
06-07-2019, 07:07 PM
#49
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If we miss both options, we must go to the chief pilot office to make sure we don't have a missed assignment tagged to our HI10. If I'm commuting on company metal and they look at the loads and see that an AA pilot was on the jumpseat, they're going to ask why I wasn't on the jumpseat and my guess is if that was the case, I'd have a MA on my HI10.
06-07-2019, 09:43 PM
#50
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As a commuter, I m not flying to Disney. But it is the cost of business right? So they delay or cancel the International flight because I can't get to work. Or they can make accommodations to get me to work. Our "prudent policy" says I just need one back up flight. So if it were to mean much for management, I would get the Jumpiest on any route flown by outsourced companies. They don't, so they get the consequences.
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