Contract 2020
06-28-2018, 08:14 AM
#12
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You do realize we are represented by APA? One non concessionary contract in 35 years. Vishnu only knows the dues money that has been collected during that time.. If we get an industry leading contract it will be because Dougie et all. choses to do so and not for any negotiating prowess displayed by your " union". Sad but true.
06-28-2018, 08:27 AM
#13
Unfaithfully yours, Hank
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Cheddar: great list!!! I think you’ve done a great service by putting that together.... PLEASE take the time to bring it to a rep, sit down over dinner to discuss it! Lots of things in it that I like. I previously said that I will never vote for a contract with RO language in it, but your option changed my mind a bit..
06-28-2018, 08:37 AM
#15
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I’m posting ideas and a list that we came up with in comparison to other Legacies, Majors and FedEx. The hope is that APA members in good standing would get their imagination spurred and send soundoffs and emails to the 2020contract share point with things that are important to them.
It was also to show what other companies have, and that these things are realistic. But again, if you like any of this, cut/paste/edit/refine but send in your thoughts as to C2020.
I’m not sure I understand your question. Non of us have any agency in a negotiation amongst ourselves - or to go even further - “how” can we “negotiate amongst ourselves?”
As for me, I have full faith in the NC chair and a few others on the committee. I was lucky enough to have EF in the jumpseat several times and he is very impressive. He has universal praise from East/West and LAA factions within the APA.
I don’t envy his task, but I’m thankful it’s him. Negotiators have asked for ideas AND soundoffs... maybe it’s to convince some feckless members of the BoD that there is a large contingent that wants more than a few more $$$
Let’s help them out please
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It was also to show what other companies have, and that these things are realistic. But again, if you like any of this, cut/paste/edit/refine but send in your thoughts as to C2020.
I’m not sure I understand your question. Non of us have any agency in a negotiation amongst ourselves - or to go even further - “how” can we “negotiate amongst ourselves?”
As for me, I have full faith in the NC chair and a few others on the committee. I was lucky enough to have EF in the jumpseat several times and he is very impressive. He has universal praise from East/West and LAA factions within the APA.
I don’t envy his task, but I’m thankful it’s him. Negotiators have asked for ideas AND soundoffs... maybe it’s to convince some feckless members of the BoD that there is a large contingent that wants more than a few more $$$
Let’s help them out please
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06-28-2018, 08:48 AM
#16
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Thanks everyone - but it wasn’t all me. It’s been sent to the C2020 email site (on the APA Negotiation tab) and will be formatted for soundoffs shortly.
Again - IF there are sections you agree with - cut paste and send. If there’s stuff that you’d like to see that’s different - write it down and send it! This is YOUR chance to be heard.
As for talking with the NC or Reps - None of us that contributed to this are in any way “connected” - and in fact the few friends that we have that are volunteers were excluded because we didn’t want any institutional bias.
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Again - IF there are sections you agree with - cut paste and send. If there’s stuff that you’d like to see that’s different - write it down and send it! This is YOUR chance to be heard.
As for talking with the NC or Reps - None of us that contributed to this are in any way “connected” - and in fact the few friends that we have that are volunteers were excluded because we didn’t want any institutional bias.
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06-28-2018, 11:48 AM
#17
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I’m posting ideas and a list that we came up with in comparison to other Legacies, Majors and FedEx. The hope is that APA members in good standing would get their imagination spurred and send soundoffs and emails to the 2020contract share point with things that are important to them.
It was also to show what other companies have, and that these things are realistic. But again, if you like any of this, cut/paste/edit/refine but send in your thoughts as to C2020.
I’m not sure I understand your question. Non of us have any agency in a negotiation amongst ourselves - or to go even further - “how” can we “negotiate amongst ourselves?”
As for me, I have full faith in the NC chair and a few others on the committee. I was lucky enough to have EF in the jumpseat several times and he is very impressive. He has universal praise from East/West and LAA factions within the APA.
I don’t envy his task, but I’m thankful it’s him. Negotiators have asked for ideas AND soundoffs... maybe it’s to convince some feckless members of the BoD that there is a large contingent that wants more than a few more $$$
Let’s help them out please
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It was also to show what other companies have, and that these things are realistic. But again, if you like any of this, cut/paste/edit/refine but send in your thoughts as to C2020.
I’m not sure I understand your question. Non of us have any agency in a negotiation amongst ourselves - or to go even further - “how” can we “negotiate amongst ourselves?”
As for me, I have full faith in the NC chair and a few others on the committee. I was lucky enough to have EF in the jumpseat several times and he is very impressive. He has universal praise from East/West and LAA factions within the APA.
I don’t envy his task, but I’m thankful it’s him. Negotiators have asked for ideas AND soundoffs... maybe it’s to convince some feckless members of the BoD that there is a large contingent that wants more than a few more $$$
Let’s help them out please
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By discussing/debating/etc. this out and the open, we're tipping our hand (especially as the public discussion continues) as to what we'll accept, thus negotiating against ourselves.
There's a reason the group this came from is private.
06-28-2018, 01:29 PM
#18
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Contract 2020
If you are insinuating that I lifted this from a private three letter Facebook group to put it out in the open - you are incorrect.
It was ALSO posted there. Again, the idea is to get people to see what’s out there and write their own soundoffs. There are two main co-authors and we had input from four-five others. Everyone involved knew the objective - and that was to inform, and hopefully get as many people involved with the write in process as possible.
None of us have ANY KNOWLEDGE of negotiation strategies or objectives.
As for the company being ‘tipped,’ then we shouldn’t talk about anything we ‘want.’
Please feel free to pm me if you want or you can DM me on Facebook.
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It was ALSO posted there. Again, the idea is to get people to see what’s out there and write their own soundoffs. There are two main co-authors and we had input from four-five others. Everyone involved knew the objective - and that was to inform, and hopefully get as many people involved with the write in process as possible.
None of us have ANY KNOWLEDGE of negotiation strategies or objectives.
As for the company being ‘tipped,’ then we shouldn’t talk about anything we ‘want.’
Please feel free to pm me if you want or you can DM me on Facebook.
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06-29-2018, 03:14 AM
#19
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Posts: 400
If you are insinuating that I lifted this from a private three letter Facebook group to put it out in the open - you are incorrect.
It was ALSO posted there. Again, the idea is to get people to see what’s out there and write their own soundoffs. There are two main co-authors and we had input from four-five others. Everyone involved knew the objective - and that was to inform, and hopefully get as many people involved with the write in process as possible.
None of us have ANY KNOWLEDGE of negotiation strategies or objectives.
As for the company being ‘tipped,’ then we shouldn’t talk about anything we ‘want.’
Please feel free to pm me if you want or you can DM me on Facebook.
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It was ALSO posted there. Again, the idea is to get people to see what’s out there and write their own soundoffs. There are two main co-authors and we had input from four-five others. Everyone involved knew the objective - and that was to inform, and hopefully get as many people involved with the write in process as possible.
None of us have ANY KNOWLEDGE of negotiation strategies or objectives.
As for the company being ‘tipped,’ then we shouldn’t talk about anything we ‘want.’
Please feel free to pm me if you want or you can DM me on Facebook.
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06-29-2018, 04:15 AM
#20
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Posts: 398
Resere Days Off o n actual days off.
No movable days.
No being scheduled up until noon on your fist day off.
For those who do not know, Movable days are for their use, not the pilot's.
And...
Four positive space passes each month for every pilot.
Bankable, and usable by said pilot's family members.
I like to spend time with my kids too.
No movable days.
No being scheduled up until noon on your fist day off.
For those who do not know, Movable days are for their use, not the pilot's.
And...
Four positive space passes each month for every pilot.
Bankable, and usable by said pilot's family members.
I like to spend time with my kids too.
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