Training date flexibility question
-- what work rules do you foresee changing with American? 
07-07-2017, 09:59 PM
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07-11-2017, 05:22 AM
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Be careful. One of the managers of training is Dave Fyfe. He will come into your indoc class and say If you don't get the aircraft/date you want to contact him that he has "the power of the pen" Not true. Not true.
He is old school AMR Corp.
Numerous FO's I've flown with asked him for changes and he either ignored them or said NO. All of the FO's told me that they saw the schedules for training. That he could have made easy changes.
Avoid Dave Fyfe.
Do not mess with FLT STD's they have the most power at AAL. Just do what and when they tell you.
Be careful.
APA tells us that AAL owns training. APA cannot help you.
Tell your squadron mates, you'll be there next year. Do not jeopardize losing even one months seniority.
EX: What if they say Oh, OK contact us when you return from MIL LEAVE, and as luck would have it, all classes filled, so instead of Mid August, you're now looking at Dec or later.
What if?
My experience even after being here since 99 is Don't even ask. You'll get a NO or worse.
Aside from all this, I've been a CA for just over 2 years here and loving it, except for the VNAV on the 737-800.
We will get work rules back in 2020 contract. Try to live in base.
Commuting is difficult and flights are full.
He is old school AMR Corp.
Numerous FO's I've flown with asked him for changes and he either ignored them or said NO. All of the FO's told me that they saw the schedules for training. That he could have made easy changes.
Avoid Dave Fyfe.
Do not mess with FLT STD's they have the most power at AAL. Just do what and when they tell you.
Be careful.
APA tells us that AAL owns training. APA cannot help you.
Tell your squadron mates, you'll be there next year. Do not jeopardize losing even one months seniority.
EX: What if they say Oh, OK contact us when you return from MIL LEAVE, and as luck would have it, all classes filled, so instead of Mid August, you're now looking at Dec or later.
What if?
My experience even after being here since 99 is Don't even ask. You'll get a NO or worse.
Aside from all this, I've been a CA for just over 2 years here and loving it, except for the VNAV on the 737-800.
We will get work rules back in 2020 contract. Try to live in base.
Commuting is difficult and flights are full.
I have to ask though, what's the big deal with putting off training for a bit once indoc complete? To be clear, I'm asking, not giving advice since I really don't know. Obviously seniority is important (indoc) and pay date is nice (originally scheduled training date as I understand it), but as long as guys like this are being honest with the company and not magically dropping a year of surprise orders immediately after indoc I heard AA was flexible the guard/reserve folks.
07-11-2017, 06:46 AM
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Good advice, thanks.
I have to ask though, what's the big deal with putting off training for a bit once indoc complete? To be clear, I'm asking, not giving advice since I really don't know. Obviously seniority is important (indoc) and pay date is nice (originally scheduled training date as I understand it), but as long as guys like this are being honest with the company and not magically dropping a year of surprise orders immediately after indoc I heard AA was flexible the guard/reserve folks.
I have to ask though, what's the big deal with putting off training for a bit once indoc complete? To be clear, I'm asking, not giving advice since I really don't know. Obviously seniority is important (indoc) and pay date is nice (originally scheduled training date as I understand it), but as long as guys like this are being honest with the company and not magically dropping a year of surprise orders immediately after indoc I heard AA was flexible the guard/reserve folks.
I fly with new hires that had 3 weeks off from Basic indoc until aircraft training. The old AMR was horribly inflexible. There are some new people newer culture, but I highlighted one old school AMR guy who is head of training. I gave second hand reports on him.
Do not forget it is what the company needs are, not what the company can do for you.
Key words here: Once you're on line they are flexible with guard/reserve people.
Be careful.
07-11-2017, 10:15 PM
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I fly with new hires that had 3 weeks off from Basic indoc until aircraft training. The old AMR was horribly inflexible. There are some new people newer culture, but I highlighted one old school AMR guy who is head of training. I gave second hand reports on him.
Do not forget it is what the company needs are, not what the company can do for you.
Key words here: Once you're on line they are flexible with guard/reserve people.
Be careful.
Do not forget it is what the company needs are, not what the company can do for you.
Key words here: Once you're on line they are flexible with guard/reserve people.
Be careful.
Not saying your friend's experience wasn't good but each person/situation can be unique.
07-12-2017, 06:45 AM
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07-20-2017, 09:23 AM
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Anyone know the answer to this? I've had good luck with commanders considering personal lives before dropping orders, but I'm concerned that I will get military orders dropped on me at an inopportune time (like while waiting for training). I know, "be careful", but we don't always get a choice. It is the military after all.
07-21-2017, 08:37 AM
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Anyone know the answer to this? I've had good luck with commanders considering personal lives before dropping orders, but I'm concerned that I will get military orders dropped on me at an inopportune time (like while waiting for training). I know, "be careful", but we don't always get a choice. It is the military after all.
Have received no response from Fyfe.
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07-28-2017, 07:57 AM
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My only data point is I know a guy who went on orders after indoc, never went to training and his time onboard for pay purposes is progressing starting from his originally scheduled training completion date. More importantly I don't think the company gave him any trouble over it, I assume because he didn't waste any training resources. For example, I imagine it would be different if his orders dropped during training, or before consolidation.
Unfortunately, I don't know if this case is inline with policy or if it was a one-off. I hope not to be in his shoes, but that's one of the challenges of staying guard/reserve... you never know.
Unfortunately, I don't know if this case is inline with policy or if it was a one-off. I hope not to be in his shoes, but that's one of the challenges of staying guard/reserve... you never know.
07-29-2017, 08:15 PM
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