CaptKrunch

Should see the March 6 drop around feb 28th.

jcountry

Talk about thread drift.

Bottom line:

Idiots are everywhere. Very few and far between, but they are out there. Military has a few also.

AFPirate

The 80 is available out of training, it doesn't get any more junior than that! We lose 24 Super 80s by EOY 2018, and then go to 0 aircraft by EOY 2019 so it's got that going for it as well. It would be a good way to get to DFW and then hopefully get displaced to a 320/737 down the road when the fleet disappears. I hear it's quieter than the guppy with less switches but more round dials.

Name User

The 80 has less switches than the 737? Lol.

The TWA birds are newer with electronic engine instruments, the few AA ones we have do have mechanical gauges. Makes it easy to fly, as the fudge factor is a lot more with them...

EMBFlyer

Have you ever seen an MD-80?

TankerDriver

This.

I did my ATP before the FAR's changed a few years ago, but I spent more time and money relearning how to land an airplane that sits 3 feet off the ground than anything else. Every 17 months I take an IP checkride in the actual jet that actually involves real mission planning and flying into Class A airspace with multiple requirements to meet - precision/non-precision, circling approaches/engine-out approaches to engine-out go-arounds, touch & go's, partial/full flap setting landings, holding procedures, etc, but that box needs to be checked, so I dropped $2,500 on some Seminole time, which apparently the FAA believes much more closely replicates 121 operations. Ha!

My theory is that it's all about red tape, money, lawyers and who is willing to accept responsibility in the event something bad happens. Same thing for the FAA 1st Class Medical.

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MKUltra

I guess I would throw some more food for thought in this diversion....

24 year old..... is there any difference from a 24 year old flying regional metal or mainline metal? Heck at my wholly own we will have 23 year old captains flying mainline passengers, employee families and have 2000 hours TT and 1000 hours 121 time.... they will make between 150 to 180k this year due to our crisis pilot shortage and overtime pay. I would think you should all be concerned that regionals are proving that people can be captains, operate complex aircraft, and do it relatively safely with minimal experience. With a current supreme court case that could eventually lead to weakening or estimating unions we should all be worried.

So a 24 year old being a hired at a major and will be a FO for a number of years learning from experienced captains would be a good thing? I'd rather have a 24 year old being an FO and learning from experienced captains and when they upgrade they will be very experienced with a solid base of aviation 121 time. I'd rather have them at a major than a regional.... heck I'd rather all pilots at a major.

At my regional, you literally will have a year of on the job training and than your a captain.....

Next topic.. the flows being sh!tty..

My WO was a long time turbo prop operator, with many of those initial flows being 20 to 30 year company men. We operated without FMS and many have only flown dashes, shorts and beech 1900s. They were amazing instrument pilots and could hand fly approaches, gusting 60, xwing component of 35 knots with zero deviation in "moderate". Many never had a computer in their lives. We called them the dinosaurs.

Some could never get hired at a major for various reasons and others just had legitimate bad luck.

When they took the flow they were out of their element. Many haven't been to a modern part121 training program in 20 years. When the learning muscle isn't flexed often it weakens. FMS, EICAS, FGC, FMA, were a foreign language. It was a tough transition. Now many of flows are younger, around 30 to 35 years old, much brighter and we have not had a failure in about 2 years now. I can't speak for the other two wholly owns, but I will say, your getting some very quality pilots from our house now. Many of those have been with us around 5 to 10 years and have been captains for around 3 to 5 years. Many are line check airmen and instructors. A large percentage of which are off the E145 now.

CaptKrunch

Anyone have the full breakdown of how the class drop panned out for the 2/20 class?

headclamp

Ages were 30 to 51. Here was the order:
LGA 320
LAX 320
PHL 190
DFW S80
LAX 320
DFW S80
LGA 320
LGA 737
LGA 737
LAX 737
LGA 737
LGA 737
PHL 190
LGA 737
LGA 737
DFW S80
PHL 190
DFW S80
PHL 190
LAX 737 for the last 7

SunDevilPilot

It was asked for earlier, so here is the drop for the March 6th class.

LAX/320/I 4
LGA/320/D 4
LAX/737/D 8
LGA/737/D 8
DFW/S80/D 4
PHL/190/I 4