AA Class Drops
06-06-2017, 10:17 PM
#52
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How darn difficult is it to have ATC on 1 and ramp and Company on 2?! Literally EVERY pilot I've ever flown with at AA and Eagle has done this without ever having a problem - for the 26 years and 17,000 hours I've flown with these two pilot groups. We've never had a problem with this because it's not a difficult concept for anyone with an IQ beyond 80 to fathom and master.
I'm an FO, so I handle the communications on the ground. "Hey Cap, you ready for me to call?" "Yup." AMAZINGLY, the CA is actually listening on #2 (imagine that!) "Ramp, American 28 on gate 47A ready to push". Ramp answers me. The Captain amazingly hears it without being confused - every time (because it's normal at AA and damn near every other airline) - and he tells the push crew that we're cleared to push. We push, then ramp sends us to whatever spot, and bids us farewell. Then (again, amazingly) both of us flip over to number 1 and I call Ground for taxi clearance.
Really frickin amazing that someone as simple as an AA pilot can pull that off every time without a hitch. Blows me away really, considering the massive confusion that having ramp on number 2 should engender.
With that all said, this is a thread about class drops. I'm curious about the actual class awards/assignments tomorrow, June 7th.
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06-07-2017, 04:21 AM
#53
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06-07-2017, 04:38 AM
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Retarded? Really? Give us legitimate reasons why it's "retarded" in anyone's mind but your own.
How darn difficult is it to have ATC on 1 and ramp and Company on 2?! Literally EVERY pilot I've ever flown with at AA and Eagle has done this without ever having a problem - for the 26 years and 17,000 hours I've flown with these two pilot groups. We've never had a problem with this because it's not a difficult concept for anyone with an IQ beyond 80 to fathom and master.
I'm an FO, so I handle the communications on the ground. "Hey Cap, you ready for me to call?" "Yup." AMAZINGLY, the CA is actually listening on #2 (imagine that!) "Ramp, American 28 on gate 47A ready to push". Ramp answers me. The Captain amazingly hears it without being confused - every time (because it's normal at AA and damn near every other airline) - and he tells the push crew that we're cleared to push. We push, then ramp sends us to whatever spot, and bids us farewell. Then (again, amazingly) both of us flip over to number 1 and I call Ground for taxi clearance.
Really frickin amazing that someone as simple as an AA pilot can pull that off every time without a hitch. Blows me away really, considering the massive confusion that having ramp on number 2 should engender.
With that all said, this is a thread about class drops. I'm curious about the actual class awards/assignments tomorrow, June 7th.
How darn difficult is it to have ATC on 1 and ramp and Company on 2?! Literally EVERY pilot I've ever flown with at AA and Eagle has done this without ever having a problem - for the 26 years and 17,000 hours I've flown with these two pilot groups. We've never had a problem with this because it's not a difficult concept for anyone with an IQ beyond 80 to fathom and master.
I'm an FO, so I handle the communications on the ground. "Hey Cap, you ready for me to call?" "Yup." AMAZINGLY, the CA is actually listening on #2 (imagine that!) "Ramp, American 28 on gate 47A ready to push". Ramp answers me. The Captain amazingly hears it without being confused - every time (because it's normal at AA and damn near every other airline) - and he tells the push crew that we're cleared to push. We push, then ramp sends us to whatever spot, and bids us farewell. Then (again, amazingly) both of us flip over to number 1 and I call Ground for taxi clearance.
Really frickin amazing that someone as simple as an AA pilot can pull that off every time without a hitch. Blows me away really, considering the massive confusion that having ramp on number 2 should engender.
With that all said, this is a thread about class drops. I'm curious about the actual class awards/assignments tomorrow, June 7th.
Guys, you're really worrying about insignificant stuff. Bigger fish to fry. As long as the CA and FO are on the same page, who cares!
Been a CA now for 3 months. Haven't had an issue, in fact I don't even look at how the FO sets up the radios... I just look to see what Comm switch he/she is transmitting on and I monitor.
06-07-2017, 05:32 AM
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Bingo.
Guys, you're really worrying about insignificant stuff. Bigger fish to fry. As long as the CA and FO are on the same page, who cares!
Been a CA now for 3 months. Haven't had an issue, in fact I don't even look at how the FO sets up the radios... I just look to see what Comm switch he/she is transmitting on and I monitor.
Guys, you're really worrying about insignificant stuff. Bigger fish to fry. As long as the CA and FO are on the same page, who cares!
Been a CA now for 3 months. Haven't had an issue, in fact I don't even look at how the FO sets up the radios... I just look to see what Comm switch he/she is transmitting on and I monitor.
06-07-2017, 05:36 AM
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Retarded? Really? Give us legitimate reasons why it's "retarded" in anyone's mind but your own.
How darn difficult is it to have ATC on 1 and ramp and Company on 2?! Literally EVERY pilot I've ever flown with at AA and Eagle has done this without ever having a problem - for the 26 years and 17,000 hours I've flown with these two pilot groups. We've never had a problem with this because it's not a difficult concept for anyone with an IQ beyond 80 to fathom and master.
I'm an FO, so I handle the communications on the ground. "Hey Cap, you ready for me to call?" "Yup." AMAZINGLY, the CA is actually listening on #2 (imagine that!) "Ramp, American 28 on gate 47A ready to push". Ramp answers me. The Captain amazingly hears it without being confused - every time (because it's normal at AA and damn near every other airline) - and he tells the push crew that we're cleared to push. We push, then ramp sends us to whatever spot, and bids us farewell. Then (again, amazingly) both of us flip over to number 1 and I call Ground for taxi clearance.
Really frickin amazing that someone as simple as an AA pilot can pull that off every time without a hitch. Blows me away really, considering the massive confusion that having ramp on number 2 should engender.
With that all said, this is a thread about class drops. I'm curious about the actual class awards/assignments tomorrow, June 7th.
How darn difficult is it to have ATC on 1 and ramp and Company on 2?! Literally EVERY pilot I've ever flown with at AA and Eagle has done this without ever having a problem - for the 26 years and 17,000 hours I've flown with these two pilot groups. We've never had a problem with this because it's not a difficult concept for anyone with an IQ beyond 80 to fathom and master.
I'm an FO, so I handle the communications on the ground. "Hey Cap, you ready for me to call?" "Yup." AMAZINGLY, the CA is actually listening on #2 (imagine that!) "Ramp, American 28 on gate 47A ready to push". Ramp answers me. The Captain amazingly hears it without being confused - every time (because it's normal at AA and damn near every other airline) - and he tells the push crew that we're cleared to push. We push, then ramp sends us to whatever spot, and bids us farewell. Then (again, amazingly) both of us flip over to number 1 and I call Ground for taxi clearance.
Really frickin amazing that someone as simple as an AA pilot can pull that off every time without a hitch. Blows me away really, considering the massive confusion that having ramp on number 2 should engender.
With that all said, this is a thread about class drops. I'm curious about the actual class awards/assignments tomorrow, June 7th.
It is retartded because only one controller has a plane at a time.
When is the last time you left approach up after handoff to tower-just to see if they had something they forgot to tell you about?
It's stupid as hell, and anyone who understands the basic concept of what ATC is for knows that. (Let's be real. The reason they give for the procedure is that in some imaginary place, ground tells you stuff while you are still talking to ramp. Where is that special place? I'm drawing a blank.)
Once you are handed off, you are gone. They controller has no motivation or responsibility for you.
Honest question: Have you EVER in your entire career had ground call you back and say "hey- gosh I forgot to tell you something but since you are on ramp, blah and blah and blah.....? " Ever?
There is simply no point to this procedure..... Reminds me of the idiotic QNH QFE garbage that AA used to do. That insane procedure was actually a factor in a crash......
But we must do stupid stuff forever and henceforth-because we did stupid stuff when the DC3 was minty fresh in '35.
Last edited by jcountry; 06-07-2017 at 05:55 AM.
06-07-2017, 06:30 AM
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It is retartded because only one controller has a plane at a time.
When is the last time you left approach up after handoff to tower-just to see if they had something they forgot to tell you about?
It's stupid as hell, and anyone who understands the basic concept of what ATC is for knows that. (Let's be real. The reason they give for the procedure is that in some imaginary place, ground tells you stuff while you are still talking to ramp. Where is that special place? I'm drawing a blank.)
Once you are handed off, you are gone. They controller has no motivation or responsibility for you.
Honest question: Have you EVER in your entire career had ground call you back and say "hey- gosh I forgot to tell you something but since you are on ramp, blah and blah and blah.....? " Ever?
When is the last time you left approach up after handoff to tower-just to see if they had something they forgot to tell you about?
It's stupid as hell, and anyone who understands the basic concept of what ATC is for knows that. (Let's be real. The reason they give for the procedure is that in some imaginary place, ground tells you stuff while you are still talking to ramp. Where is that special place? I'm drawing a blank.)
Once you are handed off, you are gone. They controller has no motivation or responsibility for you.
Honest question: Have you EVER in your entire career had ground call you back and say "hey- gosh I forgot to tell you something but since you are on ramp, blah and blah and blah.....? " Ever?
I have been cleared in by ramp at ORD, but am unable to get my tail all the way in due to ramp congestion. Considering this has happened to one at my airline: 747 cargo jet clips commuter plane at O'Hare - Chicago Tribune, I think it is common sense to monitor both frequencies when transitioning.
When ground gives me 2 mile spacing during taxi your comparison to approach/tower will be legit.
06-07-2017, 06:36 AM
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It's really not a big deal in and of itself. I think a lot of people look at it as yet another thing that has been passed on with no thought. We figured radio usage common sense would be fine. We are finding that common sense does not prevail here where it was a cornerstone of our past airline (which, I know doesn't exist anymore). Not a big deal but the theme is a big deal. "School of thought" issue.
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