AA Class Drops
11-17-2021, 10:56 AM
#2791
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2018
Position: 757/767
Posts: 538
I am not arguing. What is there to argue about? Again everyone on here is just b****ing about the situation, I am just telling it like it is...and I have asked if anyone has a better idea that can actually make us(AA) more money then this current JB deal then let's hear it....but all I get is, weak, it should be our flying, those are our routes, yada yada yada...fix scope in this next contract along with a 1000s other things and maybe we will have a case....and we are far from the only carrier to do this, Delta has outsourced their paxs/flying to international JVs for years now and their pilots are ****ed off about it too, at least we didn't give away what little WB flying we have that way. We have an inferior product in the eyes of NYC travelers compared to DL, UAL, and JB. Do you disagree? Yup we did just start DEL yesterday, so I shouldn't list that as a WB international flight then bc it just started? That flight is pretty much sold out for the next 2 weeks everyday, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that some of the connecting paxs were off JB flights. JB has WAY more flights into JFK that can then connect on AA to places like DEL, its not like we can just flip a switch and add all these hub flights into JFK to then fill up a 777 daily to DEL...what should we do? Add a bunch of incoming flights to JFK that lose money for years just to hopefully fill a 777 to international destinations? They are more likely to just buy on UAL or DL, this way we offer JB paxs an opportunity to use their loyalty to connect to far away places that were not accessible for them before on JB and thus giving them a huge incentive to travel that way rather than buy on UAL or DL. AA lost NYC years ago, this isn't something that just happened with the JB deal, I see the JB deal as AA's "last stand" in NYC so to speak. I hope it works, bc the alternative is worse, but I think the gov is going to shut it down anyways...
Good points ☝️👍
11-17-2021, 09:13 PM
#2792
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,318
NYC. -84
BOS. -16
PHL. -40
DCA. -32
CLT. -13
MIA. -124
DFW. -47
ORD. -2
PHX. -16
LAX. -56
11-18-2021, 05:49 AM
#2795
Banned
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,012
theyre cutting 400 fo’s and no captains?
11-18-2021, 06:20 AM
#2796
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 589
I just checked CLT from now, DEC, and then looked at MAR 2022 and the 320 is +17 and the 737 shows -11, so that is a net gain of +6 with my public university math...594->611 and 69->58 FOs...not saying you are wrong we could just be looking at different data...source* Expanded 3xp Beta
11-18-2021, 07:18 AM
#2797
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 427
Just wait until they start codesharing that international flying.... all these folks who think they're gonna be widebody captains in 10-20 years because of "retirements".... the landscape will be interesting in 20-30 years.
11-18-2021, 08:37 AM
#2798
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Who knows how things will shake out (between AA and B6 scope and associated arbitration, DOJ rulings, and future renewals of the NEA), but there is just as much worry on the blue side about this. And as things currently stand, both with the NEA and jetblue mgmt’s intentions (based on the LOA they tried to get us to sign), I don’t think B6 flying AA pax longhaul will happen. I suppose that could change though over the next 20 years. Especially if a bankruptcy shakeup happened or something—but right now I don’t see it. We’re just along for the ride at this point though. Hope it works out well for both of our groups.
11-18-2021, 10:29 AM
#2799
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,448
In the LOA that jetblue pilots voted down (company did it anyway as if we voted it in—grievance currently being arbitrated), which B6ALPA not only agreed to but also tried to shove down our throats, 100% of international NEA codeshared flights could be on AA metal (but 65% of Caribbean could be on jetblue as a consolation…sweet…more SDQ redeye turns). Also, jetblue transatlantic flights (I think all, but maybe just London, as they weren’t very clear on that detail) can’t carry AA code per the NEA, but AA can carry B6 code on transatlantic. So it’s a one-sided deal as of right now…and in AA pilots’ favor. I heard that was only to get approval for the NEA, so no idea if that will always be that way.
Who knows how things will shake out (between AA and B6 scope and associated arbitration, DOJ rulings, and future renewals of the NEA), but there is just as much worry on the blue side about this. And as things currently stand, both with the NEA and jetblue mgmt’s intentions (based on the LOA they tried to get us to sign), I don’t think B6 flying AA pax longhaul will happen. I suppose that could change though over the next 20 years. Especially if a bankruptcy shakeup happened or something—but right now I don’t see it. We’re just along for the ride at this point though. Hope it works out well for both of our groups.
Who knows how things will shake out (between AA and B6 scope and associated arbitration, DOJ rulings, and future renewals of the NEA), but there is just as much worry on the blue side about this. And as things currently stand, both with the NEA and jetblue mgmt’s intentions (based on the LOA they tried to get us to sign), I don’t think B6 flying AA pax longhaul will happen. I suppose that could change though over the next 20 years. Especially if a bankruptcy shakeup happened or something—but right now I don’t see it. We’re just along for the ride at this point though. Hope it works out well for both of our groups.
11-18-2021, 11:10 AM
#2800
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 589
In the LOA that jetblue pilots voted down (company did it anyway as if we voted it in—grievance currently being arbitrated), which B6ALPA not only agreed to but also tried to shove down our throats, 100% of international NEA codeshared flights could be on AA metal (but 65% of Caribbean could be on jetblue as a consolation…sweet…more SDQ redeye turns). Also, jetblue transatlantic flights (I think all, but maybe just London, as they weren’t very clear on that detail) can’t carry AA code per the NEA, but AA can carry B6 code on transatlantic. So it’s a one-sided deal as of right now…and in AA pilots’ favor. I heard that was only to get approval for the NEA, so no idea if that will always be that way.
Who knows how things will shake out (between AA and B6 scope and associated arbitration, DOJ rulings, and future renewals of the NEA), but there is just as much worry on the blue side about this. And as things currently stand, both with the NEA and jetblue mgmt’s intentions (based on the LOA they tried to get us to sign), I don’t think B6 flying AA pax longhaul will happen. I suppose that could change though over the next 20 years. Especially if a bankruptcy shakeup happened or something—but right now I don’t see it. We’re just along for the ride at this point though. Hope it works out well for both of our groups.
Who knows how things will shake out (between AA and B6 scope and associated arbitration, DOJ rulings, and future renewals of the NEA), but there is just as much worry on the blue side about this. And as things currently stand, both with the NEA and jetblue mgmt’s intentions (based on the LOA they tried to get us to sign), I don’t think B6 flying AA pax longhaul will happen. I suppose that could change though over the next 20 years. Especially if a bankruptcy shakeup happened or something—but right now I don’t see it. We’re just along for the ride at this point though. Hope it works out well for both of our groups.
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