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10-24-2019, 03:48 PM
#2281
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That's exactly what they ARE doing... If they want a roughly 50/50 mix of mil/civ, then after the flow, there's very little room for anything other than mil. It's the only way to get a balanced demo.
Granted, to your point, it leaves little room for 91/135 experienced dudes/dudettes. But as mentioned before, that's entirely their prerogative.
And beyond that, I am personally convinced that the non-flow hiring pattern is intentional -- not because of the demographics factor, but because it helps strengthen their WO rosters. If you really REALLY want to work for AA, and aren't mil, you'd be a fool (or at least disappointed), to not go through the flow. I think it helps them ensure sufficient numbers to keep the WOs staffed. It's cheaper labor, and integral to the business plan. Also ensures a deep bench when the pilot shortage starts to come to fruition. If there's a lack of WO pilots, that really REALLY hurts the bottom line.
Granted, to your point, it leaves little room for 91/135 experienced dudes/dudettes. But as mentioned before, that's entirely their prerogative.
And beyond that, I am personally convinced that the non-flow hiring pattern is intentional -- not because of the demographics factor, but because it helps strengthen their WO rosters. If you really REALLY want to work for AA, and aren't mil, you'd be a fool (or at least disappointed), to not go through the flow. I think it helps them ensure sufficient numbers to keep the WOs staffed. It's cheaper labor, and integral to the business plan. Also ensures a deep bench when the pilot shortage starts to come to fruition. If there's a lack of WO pilots, that really REALLY hurts the bottom line.
Your later point is interesting, I think you’re on to something.
10-24-2019, 03:50 PM
#2282
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From where? Envoy flows are 2008-2011 hires. They went through a recession and a bankruptcy. They are still flying under a bankruptcy contract at Envoy.
10-24-2019, 03:52 PM
#2283
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I would disagree that 50/50 is a balanced demographic, especially factoring in that the bulk of the civilians are from the Flow. It’s too many military IMO (and I am military). Like to see 1/3 mil, 1/3 civ 121 (from all regionals not just WO) and 1/3 part 91/135.
Your later point is interesting, I think you’re on to something.
Your later point is interesting, I think you’re on to something.
10-24-2019, 04:17 PM
#2284
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Most of the guys who flew 135 that I knew are either regional CAs now or are at Frontier or Spirit. And the ones who I came up flying with who went straight to regionals are at JetBlue, Delta, FedEx etc. Should have just sucked it up and went to a regional to begin with.
10-24-2019, 04:28 PM
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10-24-2019, 04:42 PM
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10-24-2019, 05:28 PM
#2287
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If it's inaccurate, most of my career so far has been inaccurate. I still have far more 135 experience than 121. There is a reason that side of the industry is full of lying owners/management, violations, stiffed paychecks, accidents and DUI's.
Netjets/flex and the people in those operations is NOT the norm.
Not to mention there is plenty of open disdain for "Airline pilots" in those circles.
Netjets/flex and the people in those operations is NOT the norm.
Not to mention there is plenty of open disdain for "Airline pilots" in those circles.
10-24-2019, 05:57 PM
#2288
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Wow. Generalize much? I spent 7 years flying 135 in various a/c before coming to AA. I could probably fill a page with names of excellent 91/135 pilots that have excellent character with more than enough experience to make it in the airlines. I second the above statement, hope you're not on the interview board anytime soon.
10-27-2019, 06:28 AM
#2290
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Lol... I’m a mil guy and even I got a chuckle out of this.... I am just going to go ahead and assume you were posting drunk...
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