Envoy vs flow thru vs off the street at AA
05-04-2017, 12:09 PM
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I am in my first year as an Envoy pilot, and am wondering what to do to better myself instead of just sitting around waiting for a potential flow to AA. Questions for anyone who would like to give me any advice are as follows: What is the likelihood of jumping the flow and getting hired at AA OTS? I am a veteran with low time still and have a bachelors in aviation if that helps and was wondering if it is worth it to pursue a masters degree. If not, what is the best thing to do to make myself attractive to AA besides a sex change? I would hate to spend money on a worthless degree. Which brings me to option B: Get a degree in a computer science field instead of something aviation related and earn money doing coding or something while I'm sitting at the hotel and just wait for a flow? Maybe a job in the recruiting department? Any advice is much appreciated. All I know is I am not the type of person to sit around twiddling my thumbs.
I would realistically expect 5 in the current environment, which is a lot less than what most had to wait.
A major like Spirit or Allegiant or Frontier may be just a few years, I think they generally look for around 3000-4000 TT.
A master's degree won't really help.
What does? Training department, check airman, standards, if current civ. If mil, basically being current. Look into the ANG if you want to serve your country.
05-04-2017, 02:22 PM
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"A major like Spirit or Allegiant or Frontier...."
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"To get hired by a major airline."
Used to mean something entirely different. Substitute "Legacy" now, I guess. If you go to one of those "majors" mentioned above, you will get some experience and a paycheck. They aren't places where you can expect to retire from with enough to live on.
A year or two at one of those "majors" will set you up nicely to be hired at a "Legacy" which is for most, the goal. IMHO.
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"To get hired by a major airline."
Used to mean something entirely different. Substitute "Legacy" now, I guess. If you go to one of those "majors" mentioned above, you will get some experience and a paycheck. They aren't places where you can expect to retire from with enough to live on.
A year or two at one of those "majors" will set you up nicely to be hired at a "Legacy" which is for most, the goal. IMHO.
05-05-2017, 06:14 AM
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Despite the press, getting to a legacy from a civilian background is not a one or two year process generally.
I would realistically expect 5 in the current environment, which is a lot less than what most had to wait.
A major like Spirit or Allegiant or Frontier may be just a few years, I think they generally look for around 3000-4000 TT.
A master's degree won't really help.
What does? Training department, check airman, standards, if current civ. If mil, basically being current. Look into the ANG if you want to serve your country.
I would realistically expect 5 in the current environment, which is a lot less than what most had to wait.
A major like Spirit or Allegiant or Frontier may be just a few years, I think they generally look for around 3000-4000 TT.
A master's degree won't really help.
What does? Training department, check airman, standards, if current civ. If mil, basically being current. Look into the ANG if you want to serve your country.
Won't be all that long before the big 3 are forced to look at guys in that 3-4,000 hour range as well.
05-05-2017, 10:50 AM
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I am in my first year as an Envoy pilot, and am wondering what to do to better myself instead of just sitting around waiting for a potential flow to AA. Questions for anyone who would like to give me any advice are as follows: What is the likelihood of jumping the flow and getting hired at AA OTS? I am a veteran with low time still and have a bachelors in aviation if that helps and was wondering if it is worth it to pursue a masters degree. If not, what is the best thing to do to make myself attractive to AA besides a sex change? I would hate to spend money on a worthless degree. Which brings me to option B: Get a degree in a computer science field instead of something aviation related and earn money doing coding or something while I'm sitting at the hotel and just wait for a flow? Maybe a job in the recruiting department? Any advice is much appreciated. All I know is I am not the type of person to sit around twiddling my thumbs.
Getting involved w/company events can help because it puts you in front of folks who make decisions and if they see you enough, they will remember. I had a 1600ish number when I left so I never had the chance to upgrade (I came close before BR), but I wasn't waiting for a flow. I've been in DFW my entire airline career and I'm senior to the majority of the CA's I flew with at MQ.
With upgrades coming down here at AA, do what you gotta do to get out. I had about 4300hrs on the 145 and over 6000 total getting hired at AA. Good luck! It can be done!
05-06-2017, 01:44 PM
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Quick question: Is the company filling classes solely with the flows or are some off the street regionals getting hired on? Cant imagine 5-10 per month from WOs filling the necessary quota with retirements, new aircraft and upgrades.
05-06-2017, 02:08 PM
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The more than half of seats seem to be filled with Flows from the 3 WOs.
05-06-2017, 02:19 PM
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