R57 relay

Here I am!

What exactly would you like for me to say? "Yep, it's over! Siegel says it so it must be so. Looks like we will start with the Nic just like Siegel says we should. Oh wait, he didn't say that and the company didn't put that in the MOU...."

Most of 278 he spends restating AOL's position and stating that whether USAPA is correct or not is irrelevant because the west is Nic or nothing. Maybe it is, I'm not a lawyer. But the fact is none of these documents are rulings. We have to wait for what Judge Silver rules and then what appeals either side might try. Just a little warning and do with it what you want, you got all excited about these types of things on Silver's last trial and you were severely disappointed.

At a minimum I expect Silver to give the west separate standing in MB. What that does and what we all do is yet to be seen.

R57 relay

The big question is what happens to the SLI timeline WHEN either side appeals?

DCA A321 FO

OMFG. Cannot believe you actually took my response literally.

At first glance, the company is covering their ass.

Sounds like the Hatfields & McCoys.

If you *****es wanna come fly to Europe from Philly that's fine, 2 of my houses are on the west coast.

Cigar boy is gonna report me to some agency.

DCA A321 FO

Plaintiffs state that “USAPA utterly failed to educate the West Pilots about the ramifications of the MOU.”



Admission of stupidity?

Wiskey Driver

When a person has to resort to insults and name calling with each contact it shows the he lacks the ability to say what is on his mind.

This is not about reporting to agencies or where you live. This is about honoring thy word young man, something that I am certain your parents took time to teach you. I have no desire to commute 3hrs to fly an 8hr trip. That's a young mans game and I am not in that.

WD at AWA

Wiskey Driver

Do you honestly believe usapa has a case worth appealing? Ok I have to ask, on what grounds would you base this appeal? I mean 321fo is so lost he is stuck on the MOU and failed to take heed that the company is talking about PRIOR to not after the fact.

So tell me Relay what are the usapa issues that you think they can appeal?

WD at AWA

Wiskey Driver

You are completely lost and that makes you clueless!

WD at AWA

cactiboss

No one is saying this is over, or claiming victory. What we are saying is this lays out the west case exactly. It shows the west is "correct" when it comes to the facts of this case. Now will judge Silver buy it? who knows, she has surprised us before and i don't know anyone out west who thinks we have this locked. This filing helps the west, that much is clear, we will see if it's enough to put us over.

cactiboss

That alone would cook your goose, I think you and usapa know it.

flybywire44

I'm responding to posts in the "OFFICIAL: Suit Settled, Merger to Happen" thread that should have originally been posted here:

Sorry, for the delay—I've been keeping busy these last couple days with second jobs.

Okay, so shrinking economies are not fun. East and West were each failing carriers both in and near bankruptcy. As hard as life had been for each group it proved impossible for these groups to accept the idea of further lowering expectations—jobs/furloughs were literally on the line. Both East and West leadership failed to cooperate effectively. May we attribute this to incompatible or incompetent West and/or East union leadership? —Maybe. Regardless, people respond to incentives and our legal system certainly makes them available. Each group sought every opportunity to manipulate facts and reality to seek advantages over the other.

The East/West process was very disingenuous and so was everyone involved. This theme of ill-will and manipulation plays into the legal system that we, as a nation, live under. Legalese has nothing to do with Justice and nothing to do with what is right. Both East and West leadership subscribed to these notions and I hold both groups responsible for employing such wretched context.

Directly to your question Rudder1, "how was the west supposed to do anything after USAPA took away their representation?"

I don't know what "the west was supposed to do," but (and in keeping with the theme of mutual ill-will and manipulation) I think it is safe to say that West pilots have the option to contact their PHX USAPA representatives to ask them "to do anything."

More directly, West ALPA leadership's last chance to move SLI/JCBA talks forward were the Nicolai MOU talks that took place between East & West ALPA. These negotiations took place weeks before USAPA was voted in... dreadfully ironic.

Let us remember that after NIC was awarded East ALPA suspended all contract negotiations and ALPA National threatened, on behalf of West ALPA through Capt Prater, to appoint a new MEC for the East from another airline to run the US Airways MEC and negotiate a new contract for US Air East. But these threats from ALPA National (and West ALPA) stalled when everyone realized USAPA had started gaining serious traction among East pilots. West ALPA stubbornly refused to negotiate an MOU to the NIC until the 11th hour before USAPA swiftly became certified for a vote. I think MOU negotiations lasted a couple weeks before West and East ALPA were dissolved.

The very threat of USAPA forming triggered a Nicolai MOU, but also killed it prematurely. —This is USAPA's greatest sin in my opinion.


Finally, please don't give me a hard time for not wanting to take sides in this BS as I discriminate equally.